How Many of You Want a "LGBTI and Allies Only" Subforum?

[Sunstone]

I thought this was a "religious" forum. Leggy Butts have their own sites out there, don't they?

Read the red ink in the OP, please.

 

[Sunstone]

I'm sure there are other forum sites that exist for the LBGT community. I don't see how it has a place on Religious Forums.

Read the red ink in the OP, please.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I thought this was a "religious" forum. Leggy Butts have their own sites out there, don't they?

Yes, this is a religious forums. There are a ton of GLBT people who are religious. There are many religions and denominations that do not have any issues or problems with homosexuals.

 

[Tarheeler]

I thought this was a "religious" forum. Leggy Butts have their own sites out there, don't they?

Says the guy who posted about gardening on a "religious" forum.


As for DIR, I'm for it if those who would use it want it.
God knows there's enough people ready to bash 'em to warrant a protected space for them to talk amongst themselves if they so desire.

 

[Kirran]

Like, I support it, but seeing as I wouldn't be using it I'm not sure I should vote, for either 'Yes' or 'yes'.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

why do GBLTI have to keep hiding our colors.

No one is saying anything has to hide anything. Some people just aren't comfortable talking about it in front of the whole board.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

As I said above, the Rainbow Room should stay private as a safe place for individuals who wish to discuss it without outing themselves publicly on this forum.

I personally don't think an LGBT subforum should be a DIR, anyway. I think it should just be for general topics about the subject.

If it's not a DIR then it'll just be piled into by all the gay-bashers who spread their misinformation, prejudice & ignorance about LGBTs - like what happens in other threads in other sections of the forum.

It's wasted space as it is though.

Far better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. Like others have said, some people might not want to out themselves publically just yet - those who aren't worried about being open and are willing to help correct ignorance on the subject the rest of us may have should be able to do so.

I think we should have our own DIR space so we can have a space to discuss our issues, have a "safe space" to ask questions, share ideas and research, and without having to worry about the homo/transphobes polluting it. In a hypothetical scenario, it would allow someone who is of the GBLT to do something like adopting a child, announce it to the forum, share the wonderful news, and not have to worry about someone going on about how sinful it is and how messed up the child is going to be not having exactly one biological mother and one biological father - and if the homo/transphobes did post something to that extent, as it would be against the DIR rules the moderators could easily delete the post.

Agreed.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

No one is saying anything has to hide anything. Some people just aren't comfortable talking about it in front of the whole board.

I did say you can keep the private board and I also said not everyone wants to have a "separate room". Sexuality sub forum can be used for private convo or for public. If they chose to do both, that would not be any different than what Im suggesting.

1. Keep the Rainbow group room
2. Have a GBLTetc DIR public forum so half of us dont have to talk about our lives with our, say wives behind closed doors.

Like if I had a personal problem, Id gonto the Rainbow room. If I wanted to talk like straight people about my day with my ex or wife or girlfriend, I shouldnt have to be restricted to a closed off room when straight people have the option"s" of talking wherever they want private or not.

No special treatment just because we are GBLTetc

 

[Revoltingest]

If it's a done deal, just make the damn thing and see who comes by to play. I don't personally need it, but I am sure some might find some solace there, I suppose.

Hey, you might be the one to consider this.....
"LGBTI" suffers from redundancy (L is a subset of G), inadequacy, (doesn't include asexual) & complexity (too many letters).
I propose "GTO" (Gay Trans & Other)
It's catchy, brief, & sounds high performance.
And it has a logo...

Spoiler: Too big....needs reduction

If you agree, then @Shadow Wolf gets to own one of these.

 

[Kirran]

I like GSM - Gender and Sexual Minority.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I think we should just keep it simple and recognizable and call it LGBT.

 

[Sunstone]

I like GSM - Gender and Sexual Minority.

I like that too in so far as accuracy and simplicity go, but I fear no one would know what we were talking about.

 

[Sunstone]

I think we should just keep it simple and recognizable and call it LGBT.

Yeah, I'm leaning this way too.

 

[Revoltingest]

I like GSM - Gender and Sexual Minority.

But GSM is the name of my operating system (Global System Manager)
http://www.globaldist.com.au/gsm.html
Too geeky.

 

[Kirran]

I like that too in so far as accuracy and simplicity go, but I fear no one would know what we were talking about.

Well, there's only one way to get the term well-known! If you call it 'GSM (Gender and Sexual Minority) Only' it'll be clear.

Yeah, I'm leaning this way too.

LGBT+, perhaps.

But GSM is the name of my operating system (Global System Manager)
http://www.globaldist.com.au/gsm.html
Too geeky.

That somehow manages to be even more obscure!

 

[Draka]

To those saying it should be a DIR...DIR still stands for "Discuss Individual Religion" doesn't it? Sexual orientation, last I checked, was not a religion. And like I said, if it is put as a subforum under sexuality or some other forum heading wouldn't an opposing stance subforum be something that might be called for?

As for making announcements or talking about one's partner, shouldn't that freedom already exist with our existing forum rules? If someone were to say anything about such a comment or announcement that would be considered a personal attack wouldn't it? Something which is not allowed here. If a person does that kind of thing just because a woman uses the term wife in regards to their spouse or a man says their husband did something, then such things would call for the reporting of said person and the mods to do their jobs. Right?

I'm just afraid that putting such a specific subforum out there says a couple things. One, that an opposing subforum is welcome and two, that LGBT should even have to have a place protected from insults and harassment. Everyone should be protected from insults and harassment on this board already. We demand a certain level of respect here don't we? And if people can't abide by that then they shouldn't be here. I understand the topics of religions and certain political stances and such being in protected subforums as contrary opinions can derail a subject quickly, but if the purpose of a subforum is to not be attacked...then that says something about this forum doesn't it? That without said subforum it is fine to attack and make personal comments about someone. Making personal attacks then becomes excused in other parts of the forum. At least that's something I can see being interpreted from it. The attitude that someone can make personal comments about your sexual orientation in other parts of the forum because, hey, this isn't the LGBT subforum, you aren't protected here.

 

[Kirran]

I think that DIR's kind of become a term divorced from its original meaning in colloquial usage here! We talk of the 'Feminist DIR' even though it isn't called that

 

[Sunstone]

I don't see the purpose of an LGBT+ subforum as to prevent personal attacks and harassment. I see it as both a matter of preventing discussions from being taken off topic, and as a matter of promoting more and better discussions of LGBT+ issues.

 

[Draka]

I don't see the purpose of an LGBT+ subforum as to prevent personal attacks and harassment. I see it as both a matter of preventing discussions from being taken off topic, and as a matter of promoting more and better discussions of LGBT+ issues.

First, that's not how everyone is going to take its existence. You've already seen the responses from those saying they want a place to make personal announcements and so on where they don't feel like they are going to be attacked. That says something. Second, shouldn't those types of discussions and issues already be covered in the sexuality subforum?

Again, I just see this kind of thing being interpreted in certain ways that could cause more trouble than said subforum would be trying to overcome. I don't want any and all discussions even referring to any LGBT issue in other parts of the forum to be interpreted as up for attack or derailment merely because they aren't relegated to this one subforum. I can just see the existence of this subforum being used as justification to derail other threads because, well, they aren't "protected".

 

[Augustus]

Should it be LGBTI and Allies Only or LGBTI Only?

Would "LGBTI and allies" subforum not just be an 'everybody who isn't homophobic/transphobic/etc' subforum?

I'm an 'ally' of LGBTI in the sense that I believe all people should be treated equally, have gay friends, etc. but such a subforum wouldn't be set up with the purpose of having the likes of me commenting. Seems a bit too broad and allows some people to justify themselves posting there when they really shouldn't be and have little understanding of the issues, just a well meaning lack of prejudice. LGBTI only seems much more suitable.

Having said that, seeing as the forum isn't set up for the likes of me then you can disregard everything I've said...