How Many People Has Satan Murdered?

[Tumah]

Question: How many people (in the Bible) has Satan murdered?

All of them.

Reference chapter and verse, please. Thank you.

Bava Basra 16a
Reish Lakish said:
'He is Satan, he is the Evil Inclination, he is the Angel of Death.
He is Satan as it says, "And Satan went out from before G-d (Job 2:7)."
He is the evil inclination, [as] it says there "And all the inclinations of the thoughts of his heart, only evil the whole day. (Gen. 6:5)" and it says here, "only to him do not send your hand. (Job 1:12)"
He is the angel of death, as it says "just his soul save (Job 2:6)" we see from here, that it is by him (ie. in his power to take it).'

 

[ThirtyThree]

All of them.

Bava Basra 16a
Reish Lakish said:
'He is Satan, he is the Evil Inclination, he is the Angel of Death.
He is Satan as it says, "And Satan went out from before G-d (Job 2:7)."
He is the evil inclination, [as] it says there "And all the inclinations of the thoughts of his heart, only evil the whole day. (Gen. 6:5)" and it says here, "only to him do not send your hand. (Job 1:12)"
He is the angel of death, as it says "just his soul save (Job 2:6)" we see from here, that it is by him (ie. in his power to take it).'

Samael, then?

What ever happened to Samael? Was there a fall? A Jewish person told me Malachim do not have "free will", which hardly counts for much, considering I do not believe humans do either. However, if there was a rebellion in your belief, how did that happen? What type of choices does a Malach have?

 

[Tumah]

Samael, then?

What ever happened to Samael? Was there a fall? A Jewish person told me Malachim do not have "free will", which hardly counts for much, considering I do not believe humans do either. However, if there was a rebellion in your belief, how did that happen? What type of choices does a Malach have?

Samael is just the name of head of the Satan position.
We don't believe there was a fall in the way that Christians do. More like, he was lowered form his position so that he could not affect people as strongly as he previously could, so that they have a greater chance of winning against his enticement.
I have seen that angels do have free-will, just that there freedom to choose is superseded by their knowledge of the foolishness of choosing wrongly. Like you technically have the freedom to choose to stick your hand in a fire, but you are aware of the direct consequences of doing so. They can perceive G-d's oneness, and they can clearly see the result of going against Him. So they don't rebel.

 

[ThirtyThree]

Samael is just the name of head of the Satan position.
We don't believe there was a fall in the way that Christians do. More like, he was lowered form his position so that he could not affect people as strongly as he previously could, so that they have a greater chance of winning against his enticement.
I have seen that angels do have free-will, just that there freedom to choose is superseded by their knowledge of the foolishness of choosing wrongly. Like you technically have the freedom to choose to stick your hand in a fire, but you are aware of the direct consequences of doing so. They can perceive G-d's oneness, and they can clearly see the result of going against Him. So they don't rebel.

Have any rebelled?

 

[Tumah]

Have any rebelled?

Nope.

 

[ThirtyThree]

Nope.

What do you believe happens when a human rebels?

 

[crossfire]

Samael is just the name of head of the Satan position.
We don't believe there was a fall in the way that Christians do. More like, he was lowered form his position so that he could not affect people as strongly as he previously could, so that they have a greater chance of winning against his enticement.
I have seen that angels do have free-will, just that there freedom to choose is superseded by their knowledge of the foolishness of choosing wrongly. Like you technically have the freedom to choose to stick your hand in a fire, but you are aware of the direct consequences of doing so. They can perceive G-d's oneness, and they can clearly see the result of going against Him. So they don't rebel.

Lowered in position--as in closer to humans?

 

[Tumah]

What do you believe happens when a human rebels?

They get a blemish on their souls and cause a blemish to the world.

 

[Tumah]

Lowered in position--as in closer to humans?

Not exactly. More like lessened his powers. He had greater abilities originally, and now he was given a lower position with less power.

 

[ThirtyThree]

Not exactly. More like lessened his powers. He had greater abilities originally, and now he was given a lower position with less power.

He was a powerful being and due to humans, Samael's power was reduced. Exactly why did Samael not rebel?

Also, what I meant by my prior question is what does your faith teach happens to those who rebel after they die?

 

[Tumah]

He was a powerful being and due to humans, Samael's power was reduced. Exactly why did Samael not rebel?

Because he understands that his reduction in power is for the best. Because his power is lessened, humans can defeat him more easily, which means that he can reach his rectification faster.

Also, what I meant by my prior question is what does your faith teach happens to those who rebel after they die?

Any sin is technically a rebellion against G-d. So the question of what happens to sinners is that it depends on the severity of the sinner. But the basic idea is a process of suffering that serves to remove the stain of the sin.

 

[EtuMalku]

Not exactly. More like lessened his powers. He had greater abilities originally, and now he was given a lower position with less power.

Isn't it more along the lines of the demonized Syrian god Shemal (Jewish; Shemael - Lord of the“genii and demons”) written into the Talmud to portray the Angel of Death?

 

[Tumah]

Isn't it more along the lines of the demonized Syrian god Shemal (Jewish; Shemael - Lord of the“genii and demons”) written into the Talmud to portray the Angel of Death?

The name Shemael is not found in the Talmud, nor would it mean "lord of the genii and demons" if it was, as the word for demon in Hebrew is "Sheid".

 

[ThirtyThree]

Because he understands that his reduction in power is for the best. Because his power is lessened, humans can defeat him more easily, which means that he can reach his rectification faster.

Any sin is technically a rebellion against G-d. So the question of what happens to sinners is that it depends on the severity of the sinner. But the basic idea is a process of suffering that serves to remove the stain of the sin.

Okay. Thank you. In regard to the worst sins, what type of punishment would one receive and is it for a finite duration? Are there sins which can not be forgiven? If so, what happens to those who commit them?

 

[ThirtyThree]

The name Shemael is not found in the Talmud, nor would it mean "lord of the genii and demons" if it was, as the word for demon in Hebrew is "Sheid".

What is a demon, by definition of your faith?

 

[Tumah]

Okay. Thank you. In regard to the worst sins, what type of punishment would one receive and is it for a finite duration? Are there sins which can not be forgiven? If so, what happens to those who commit them?

There is an argument where the worst punishment is permanent ceasing to exist or a permanent inability to enter heaven. All other punishments are temporary, although the duration may be quite lengthy in extreme cases. The average person is rectified over 11 months.

 

[Tumah]

What is a demon, by definition of your faith?

An existence that is between the level of the human and the angel, with elements of both.

 

[ThirtyThree]

There is an argument where the worst punishment is permanent ceasing to exist or a permanent inability to enter heaven. All other punishments are temporary, although the duration may be quite lengthy in extreme cases. The average person is rectified over 11 months.

Annihilation or permanently being unable to enter into Heaven. What do the the spirits of those forbidden entry do? Where do they go?

 

[ThirtyThree]

An existence that is between the level of the human and the angel, with elements of both.

What is the purpose of a demon and how did they come to be?

 

[Tumah]

What is the purpose of a demon and how did they come to be?

They have different functions and there are different types. Some are part of Samael's company Satan & Co. Some terrorized people for a time.
Maybe some are just trying to get by like the rest of us. I don't really know.

The original ones were created by G-d at twilight of Sabbath Eve. The rest are their children, if I recall correctly.