How Many People Has Satan Murdered?

[Tumah]

Exactly. The line of Cain, if I am correct?

The verse is saying that people (Eve's seed) will generally not like snakes (the snake's seed).

What you are trying to say here is mentioned in Judaic sources, but maybe its a bit more of a complicated topic in the Jewish version.

 

[ThirtyThree]

The verse is saying that people (Eve's seed) will generally not like snakes (the snake's seed).

What you are trying to say here is mentioned in Judaic sources, but maybe its a bit more of a complicated topic in the Jewish version.

Explain, please.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Indeed, I have yet to find a scripture where Satan lies.

I worship "The Truth". If God is lying and Satan is telling the truth, I must be loyal to Truth, not Personality.

What do you believe happens when a human rebels?

I personally think it's a bit like running away from home, except you're like a kid who thinks that by leaving the den and hiding in the basement, you effectively "ran away from home", and God just sighs and thinks how He wished the kid had more sense.

Because he understands that his reduction in power is for the best. Because his power is lessened, humans can defeat him more easily, which means that he can reach his rectification faster.

Yeah, we're at a stalemate in my dreams. I can't kill him but he can't kill me either. I think I could really take him on had I the motivation to practice more.

Suppose someone did not desire to spend forever and ever with g-d?

I believe if heaven and hell aren't your thing, you can go do whatever you want, no prob.

 

[Tumah]

Explain, please.

According to Jewish sources, reality before the sin of Adam and Eve was different than it is today. So the same words have a different understanding behind it with regards to that time.

 

[ThirtyThree]

According to Jewish sources, reality before the sin of Adam and Eve was different than it is today. So the same words have a different understanding behind it with regards to that time.

Please explain further and thank you.

 

[Tumah]

Please explain further and thank you.

According to Jewish sources, the physical world, was on what today we call the spiritual plane. Adam's and Eve's bodies were like our souls. And their souls were on an even higher spiritual plane.
Anyways, the point being, that Cain and to a lesser extent Abel were negatively affected by the sin. And through them, the concept of destruction, previously under the providence of Satan, was brought into to the world and Cain destroys and Abel was destroyed.
But that doesn't seem to be related to verse 3:15, because Cain is also Eve's seed.

 

[ThirtyThree]

According to Jewish sources, the physical world, was on what today we call the spiritual plane. Adam's and Eve's bodies were like our souls. And their souls were on an even higher spiritual plane.
Anyways, the point being, that Cain and to a lesser extent Abel were negatively affected by the sin. And through them, the concept of destruction, previously under the providence of Satan, was brought into to the world and Cain destroys and Abel was destroyed.
But that doesn't seem to be related to verse 3:15, because Cain is also Eve's seed.

That is interesting. Thank you. What more can you tell me about this?

 

[Tumah]

That is interesting. Thank you. What more can you tell me about this?

There's always more, but maybe this is not the right place to explore concepts in Judaism.

 

[rusra02]

Question: How many people (in the Bible) has Satan murdered? Reference chapter and verse, please. Thank you.

Everyone, since Satan induced the first human couple to sin, and thereby brought death to all mankind. (Romans 5:12, John 8:44). Also, since Satan rules this world, he is ultimately responsible for the actions of those he is misleading. (1 John 5:19, Revelation 12:9)

 

[ThirtyThree]

There's always more, but maybe this is not the right place to explore concepts in Judaism.

Start a thread and link me?

 

[ThirtyThree]

Everyone, since Satan induced the first human couple to sin, and thereby brought death to all mankind. (Romans 5:12, John 8:44). Also, since Satan rules this world, he is ultimately responsible for the actions of those he is misleading. (1 John 5:19, Revelation 12:9)

You accuse Satan of being the author of mortality, correct?

 

[rusra02]

You accuse Satan of being the author of mortality, correct?

I guess it depends on how you define mortality. Neither Angels nor men were created immortal, IMO. Satan was willing to cause the death of the first humans to pursue his own rebellion.

 

[ThirtyThree]

I guess it depends on how you define mortality. Neither Angels nor men were created immortal, IMO. Satan was willing to cause the death of the first humans to pursue his own rebellion.

Neither were created immortal? You are referencing the need for the tree life to sustain life, correct?

 

[rusra02]

Neither were created immortal? You are referencing the need for the tree life to sustain life, correct?

No, the tree of life was not a symbol of immortality, IMO. I believe it represented God's grant of everlasting life to those found worthy. Even after receiving everlasting life, mankind will not be immortal, or have a life that is indestructible, IMO.

 

[ThirtyThree]

No, the tree of life was not a symbol of immortality, IMO. I believe it represented God's grant of everlasting life to those found worthy. Even after receiving everlasting life, mankind will not be immortal, or have a life that is indestructible, IMO.

Why then worship this being and call him lord? What all does he offer you?

 

[rusra02]

Why then worship this being and call him lord? What all does he offer you?

Everlasting life in peace and happiness here on earth. (Revelation 21:1-4)

 

[ThirtyThree]

Everlasting life in peace and happiness here on earth. (Revelation 21:1-4)

If only know peace and happiness, without contrast, how can you appreciate its value for ever and ever?

 

[rusra02]

If only know peace and happiness, without contrast, how can you appreciate its value for ever and ever?

Our peace and happiness will be enhanced by meaningful work and the ability to learn new skills, and most importantly, IMO, by our relationship with the true God as his earthly children. (Romans 8:21) The historical record of man's rebellion and it's sad consequences will never be forgotten.

 

[12jtartar]

If only know peace and happiness, without contrast, how can you appreciate its value for ever and ever?

ThirtyThree,
I believe we will be able to compare the life we have now, with the life we will have in Paradise earth.

 

[ukok102nak]

According to Jewish sources, the physical world, was on what today we call the spiritual plane. Adam's and Eve's bodies were like our souls. And their souls were on an even higher spiritual plane.
Anyways, the point being, that Cain and to a lesser extent Abel were negatively affected by the sin. And through them, the concept of destruction, previously under the providence of Satan, was brought into to the world and Cain destroys and Abel was destroyed.
But that doesn't seem to be related to verse 3:15, because Cain is also Eve's seed.

~;> interesting indeed
though its incomplete
but cannot be disregard
if we may say so

as adam was form in the dust of the ground
and
eve was a part of adam's flesh
but
regarding unto this so called soul
that it says adam became a living soul
when the breath of life was given unto him
by god
as it is written
:read:
Genesis2
7 Then HaShem formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis2
18 And HaShem said: 'It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a help meet for him.'
19 And out of the ground HaShem formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto the man to see what he would call them; and whatsoever the man would call every living creature, that was to be the name thereof.
20 And the man gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found a help meet for him.
21 And HaShem caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the place with flesh instead thereof.
22 And the rib, which HaShem had taken from the man, made He a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And the man said: 'This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.'

as they say
when someone put a translation
unto a soul to make it to known as flesh thats why
a word such as a living soul is been made
and
the spiritual meaning of the soul is not yet defined here
as far as from what we've seen this time


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godbless
unto all always