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How materialists find meaning in life

outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Lets look at what the most educated people actually say

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afterlife

Psychological proposals for the origin of a belief in an afterlife include cognitive disposition, cultural learning, and as an intuitive religious idea.

Regarding the mind–body problem, most neuroscientists take a physicalist position according to which consciousness derives from and/or is reducible to physical phenomena such as neuronal activity occurring in the brain


This means anything else is mythology.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
MattMVS7 said:
It's just simply not wanting to be wasted away. It is just wanting to be immortal and a higher species. Something far more than mere biology that is prone to suffering, illness, disease, and forever dying. A form that is not prone to those things.
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Sounds like you don't understand how to enjoy the short wonderful life you were given.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
MattMVS7 said:
It's just simply not wanting to be wasted away. It is just wanting to be immortal and a higher species. Something far more than mere biology that is prone to suffering, illness, disease, and forever dying. A form that is not prone to those things.
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Wanting does not make it so.

It only shows why ancient people WANTED to create the mythology to state this.


Have you ever wondered what EVERY religion describes something completely different for what many call a mythical afterlife? yet you think yours is the special true one :rolleyes:
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

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MattMVS7 said:
I would like to talk about materialism which is the whole notion held by many scientists. It is the whole idea that the brain produces consciousness and that once that dies out, you forever remain dead. There is no God and no afterlife. They say that one can have much meaning in their lives with no need for a belief in a god and an afterlife.

I don't see it that way at all. When I look at my mother or any other innocent person whom I admire and love, I see a person. I see a soul that can never be reduced to mere biology. It is something eternal so that when the biology dies off, the soul can live on and become one with the universe for all eternity.

But the very fact that this is not the case since I myself am a materialist, then I see the very relationship I have with my family and all others as being reduced to nothing more than biology. It doesn't matter what purpose we have or who we are in life. This is a short life that only reduces us all to nothing in the end and nothing more than biology.

So I see no reason to help others, care for others, or anything since that is all they are. Why not let everyone rot away since that is all they are in the first place? They are all nothing more than decaying meat (biology). The only thing that makes you somebody is living on forever. As long as you are forever dead, then you are literally nobody at all since you are gone for good.

So the only way to be the greatest person in life is living on forever since the amount of "somebody" lasts for all eternity. But the fact that you are somebody only for a temporary amount of time in this life, then that makes you nowhere near as much as a person.

Death is a sacrifice. But one should never sacrifice his/herself if it means being dead for all eternity even if it is for others. This is because you have reduced yourself to nothing at all in the end. A person who just wastes themselves away like that is literally nothing in my eyes. I will look at this person as nothing since that is who they really are. They made themselves nothing in the end. Sure, it might of been for others and making the world a better place. So these things are all good. But as for the person themselves, I will look at him/her as being nothing and will have utter scorn toward him/her.

So, in conclusion, it is all about never dying and living on forever. The preservation of the self since that is the only thing that makes you somebody. Therefore, for me, life is all about living in eternal bliss, no suffering, and just enjoying my life and hobbies for all eternity and helping others who also live such lives. If such a life existed, then the relationship with my family and everything else would have the greatest joy and meaning since it is all now in a different context.

It is in the context of not being reduced to mere biology that will forever decay in the end and not being hopelessly beaten down by all the suffering in this life. Life, to me, is all about being UP. That is, living on forever, being up and running in a really good mood, and having no suffering and no depression in life beating you down. As long as you are DOWN in life in which you have much suffering only to forever die in the end, then that is both a lesser person and a lesser life.
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You're going to die someday and life is full of suffering and pain. Get over it.
 
The Transcended Omniverse

The Transcended Omniverse

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outhouse said:
How do you mentally jump this imaginative hurdle?
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Because when you forever die, you are nobody. I refuse to be nobody. I always need to be somebody. So that is the only way to be the greatest person is living forever since you are somebody for all eternity. Wasting yourself away like that is the lesser person in my eyes. I mean, how dare they? How dare they just reduce themselves to nobody like that? A truly great person would choose to live forever.
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

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MattMVS7 said:
Because when you forever die, you are nobody. I refuse to be nobody. I always need to be somebody. So that is the only way to be the greatest person is living forever since you are somebody for all eternity. Wasting yourself away like that is the lesser person in my eyes. I mean, how dare they? How dare they just reduce themselves to nobody like that? A truly great person would choose to live forever.
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What is it that makes you think that when you die, you're "nobody"?
 
The Transcended Omniverse

The Transcended Omniverse

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Saint Frankenstein said:
I'm asking you what makes you think that's the case. What's your reasoning for believing that?
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For example, how can I say that an object such as a pen is still a pen if it has faded away from existence? The pen (or, in this case, a living human being such as your mother) is someone very special. But when it fades away from existence, you can no longer say that the pen is still a pen just as you can no longer say that your mother still exists. The human being (your mother) no longer exists. She is no longer a person anymore. So she is nobody now just as how the pen is no longer a pen when it fades away from existence such as being burned away by fire.
 
outhouse

outhouse

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MattMVS7 said:
Wasting yourself away like that is the lesser person in my eyes.
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I feel sorry for people like you who make these biased claims with no education on he topic.

You are NOT superior. Many would view this as you demeaning yourself.

Does not your religion tell you not to judge? do you cherry pick all mythology and theology?
 
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