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How Much Do You Doubt God's Existence?

Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
wellwisher said:
I do not like dealing in odds, since that is black box science; whims of the gods. The statistical math is relatively new, but the whims of the gods approach is very ancient. I am more of a rationalist; Age of Reason, that left behind the whims of the gods. I am not sure why so much of science regressed back to before the age of reason. The Age of Enlightenment went back to the age of black box darkness using a math oracle like a flashlight. You can take an Atheist out of religion but not religion out of an Atheist.

My best logical reason; light, for God has to do with the 2nd law of thermodynamics, which states that the entropy of the universe has to increase. Science has many theories, but very few laws. Laws count the most, with theories a dime a dozen. Logically, if you can use a law of science, to explain God, it should count as much as a dozen theories.

In the free energy equation G=H-TS, where G is the free energy, H is the enthalpy or internal energy, T is the temperature in degrees Kelvin, and S is the entropy, the 2nd law by stating that the entropy of S of the universe has to increase, means that the free energy of the universe is decreasing with time. The minus sign means as S gets bigger, G gets smaller; more S means less G. The 2nd law has S leading the universe to the future. Both G and H, as well as T, decrease over time. The second law should be the first law.

The 2nd law implies, that our material universe is bleeding free energy, into entropy increase; 2nd law. Since energy is being conserved; energy conservation law, and energy cannot be created or destroyed, but can only change form, if the material universe of the BB is bleeding free energy but also conserving it, where is this lost energy going? Where is it being stored and in what form?

We can recycle the energy trapped as entropy increases; we can lower entropy, but this costs more energy do than we can get back. In essence, the universe has to stockpile this ever increasing lost energy, at the expense of our material universe. In a sense, a secondary entropic based energy realm is being formed, as the BB universe moves forward in time. The red shift of the universe, where photons are type of permanent energy, by becoming longer and longer wavelengths, means they have less and less energy value. The expanding universe is a natural artifact of this permanent lost energy, into the entropic realm.

Entropy increase is important to life compared to inanimate states like rocks; evolution. Cells generated a lot of entropy increase due to metabolism breaking down food material into smaller materials; water and gases. The rock, on the other hand reaches steady state and stops in time. Life is special for the 2nd law entropic economy. Neurons, which are connected to the brain and consciousness generate the most entropy; extensive wiring, of all the cells of the body. Both the body and the brain, by generating increasing entropy, are sending lost energy to the conservation realm, that cannot be net recycled by the material universe; according to the second law of thermodynamics.

The term entropy was first coined in the 18th century during the development of steam engines. When they did tests, energy was always missing that could not be accounted for. This lost energy; lost to the universe, was coined entropy. It is real and can be measured. In Chemical Engineering, where you scale chemical processes you need to take into account lost energy or else your chemical process will become a piece of crap.

In engineering and chemistry, entropy is considered a state variable, meaning for any given state of matter, like water at 25C and 1 atmosphere pressure, has a specific measurable value of entropy. This value does not change no matter how you reach that state. Entropy is like a specific fingerprint for any state of matter; an information stamp at the quantum level.

It is very possible that the lost and growing pool of entropic energy storage, as defined by the 2nd law, is the information data of all the material states that once were, since the BB. The ancients called this the soul; universel, earth, animal and humans.

Our memory fires neurons and as we mature, the brain and body increase entropy over time; evolving entropic states. It is very likely these are all recorded and stored in a different type of Cloud Storage; Universal Entropy State Cloud; quantum realm via energy conservation. This is not about throwing dice and forming a consensus in the black box of a casino, but this is about following a solid logic stemming from an accepted Law of science and engineering. Engineering is the ultimate test of science, since it needs to push any theory beyond the lab and test tubes, into scaled reality; ultimate tests of science. Dice and cards science does not scale this well, compared to rational science and engineering using the 2nd law.

I have given physics some tools to help explore this; independent space and independent time. They seem afraid of the light, due to living so long in the black box darkness groping, close to the black box walls, like blind men.
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According to the 1st law energy is conserved. So I'd think that to mean it doesn't actually go anywhere.
The 2nd law is about order/disorder (in the universe). Energy has to be in an ordered state to be usable, to preform work, like heat for example. So I would think there is no energy loss, only a loss of order. IOW, energy going from an ordered state(usable) to a disordered one(unusable/unable to do work).

All of that to say I don't see energy going anywhere. Just changing from a usable state to a unusable state. The only way then to go about recycling unusable energy would be to restore order to it.

Otherwise, I'm not sure I understand. Are you equating soul with unusable energy.
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
chinu said:
Universe is created by God.
Is this the answer you are looking for ?
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Not really, you have absolutely no evidence for that, it is simply your belief.
My belief is that no one knows how the universe was created, that's why the possible methods i know of are hypothesis

It's easy to say "my god did it", provide falsifiable evidence and I'll consider it
 
chinu

chinu

chinu
ChristineM said:
Not really, you have absolutely no evidence for that, it is simply your belief.
My belief is that no one knows how the universe was created, that's why the possible methods i know of are hypothesis

It's easy to say "my god did it", provide falsifiable evidence and I'll consider it
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Close your eyes and concentrate your attention on eye centre for at least 150 minutes and you will start knowing.
 
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Link

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Nakosis said:
Is there any room in your belief to doubt God exists?
Or do you believe in God with 100% certainty?

If you're agnostic does that mean you believe there is a 50% chance God exists and a 50% chance he doesn't?

If you don't believe in God or gods are you 100% certain there is no God(s)? 90%, 70%?

If you believe in more than one God are there some gods you don't believe in? How certain that these gods you don't believe in don't exist?

What do you base this percentage of non-belief on?
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The thing with certainty, is that it can go beyond 100%. 100% is the start point, but it can get over 100% and increase. That is the proofs you rely on are more than the lower ones, even though the others ones were sufficient to prove 100% God exists.

God manifestation of day of judgment it won't harm believers because they are use to increasing in vision and it's the day they are promised. However a soul not ready for God will be harmed when God is proven in a way that the soul didn't want to see it and was not ready for it.

I would say my certainty is beyond 100% at this point.
 
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Godobeyer

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Nakosis said:
Is there any room in your belief to doubt God exists?
Or do you believe in God with 100% certainty?

If you're agnostic does that mean you believe there is a 50% chance God exists and a 50% chance he doesn't?

If you don't believe in God or gods are you 100% certain there is no God(s)? 90%, 70%?

If you believe in more than one God are there some gods you don't believe in? How certain that these gods you don't believe in don't exist?

What do you base this percentage of non-belief on?
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I don't doubt that God existing, because i believe anything have a Creator, except the first one.
Which is Allah.
I can't imagine that some people believe that all this created from nothing, especially life spies, which very complicated and had blueprint design.
 
Bear Wild

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
Nakosis said:
Sorry, not really what I'm asking.

I mean like are Gods born? Do they will themselves into being? Are they created by other Gods?

It is the Mormons I think believe they have an opportunity to become a God. So maybe the Gods come from us...
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The gods are formed and shaped as all things in this world. We do not have a Celtic creation myth but we do have a Norse creation myth where put simply fire and ice meet in a great void or potential and it is this meeting this relationship that creates all the we experience in this world. The giants and gods are formed and then shaped from this process and are thus a "natural" part of this world. They are not supernatural They are immanent. The gods are shaped by this world just as we are. They do not come from us, they are different /separate and yet we are connected at the same time. This is how I see them and this is my opinion that is being shaped the more I interact with them. Others may have a different view. What amazed my in connecting and learning with this path was just how profound the myths of my ancestors were when you do not read the words literally but rather embody their meaning.
 
Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Godobeyer said:
I don't doubt that God existing, because i believe anything have a Creator, except the first one.
Which is Allah.
I can't imagine that some people believe that all this created from nothing, especially life spies, which very complicated and had blueprint design.
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So did Allah have an origin, a beginning or has Allah always existed?
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Nakosis said:
Is there any room in your belief to doubt God exists?
Or do you believe in God with 100% certainty?

If you're agnostic does that mean you believe there is a 50% chance God exists and a 50% chance he doesn't?

If you don't believe in God or gods are you 100% certain there is no God(s)? 90%, 70%?

If you believe in more than one God are there some gods you don't believe in? How certain that these gods you don't believe in don't exist?
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Vanishingly small chance
 
Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Godobeyer said:
I can't talk instead of him, sure always exist
, and this univers is like just drop of water in Ocean.
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I just presume the universe, which I consider the entirety of all that is has always existed. Which I have no greater chance of proving than Allah having always existed. However I think something must have always been around since I can't conceive of sometime coming from nothing.
 
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