How Much Do You Doubt God's Existence?

[Nakosis]

Vanishingly small chance

Decreasing over time?
I'd suppose as something continues to continually not present itself as existing.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Decreasing over time?
I'd suppose as something continues to continually not present itself as existing.

Whilst all the while we are surrounded by the miracle of existence…

 

[ChristineM]

Of course. I admit that.
And that is why there's a debate

Then consider rule 8,

 

[Nakosis]

Whilst all the while we are surrounded by the miracle of existence…

Sure, the universe presents itself. Whether you decide to believe in it or not.

 

[Sargonski]

I can if no evidence for (x) exists and factors of life indicate that (x) does not exist.

Thousands of years and still no coherent definition... Interesting eh?

Your comment contains 3 logical fallacies -- 3 errors in logic -- 3 examples of false logic ..

1) lack of evidence does not prove God does not exist .. regardless of how desperate one wishes this to be true
2) Your claim that no evidence exists in of itself is assumed premise fallacy .. you do not know for a fact that no evidence exists.
3) You have not defined what God is .. and thus can not claim there is no evidence for an undefined element.. and I gave you an example previously so it is strange that you repeat fallacy. If God is defined as wind -- we have all kinds of evidence for wind.

There are many coherent definitions of God .. don't let your incoherence (and numerous flaws in logic) define others around you ... and realize that you can not make defacto claims about an undefined quantity ..

Define what it is you are talking about por favor --- What is you defining as God .. when you claim you can find no evidence for God. No evidence for what Christine ?

 

[ChristineM]

1) lack of evidence does not prove God does not exist

There is no evidence for leprechauns either, they don't exist

Your claim that no evidence exists in of itself is assumed premise fallacy

It is not a fallacy, unless you can prove it wrong, I'll wait

You have not defined what God is ..

So, it is not to me to define a god,

 

[Sargonski]

Absolutely… Jesus was fully male.

LOL .. that is a funny one .. Jesus is not the God being referred to of course ... but if we wish to be all inclusive .. God is fully female as well right Har har har....

 

[Audie]

Decreasing over time?
I'd suppose as something continues to continually not present itself as existing.

Not time dependant

 

[Sargonski]

There is no evidence for leprechauns either, they don't exist



It is not a fallacy, unless you can prove it wrong, I'll wait



So, it is not to me to define a god,

Holy Carp ... what part of ..... If you are the one making claims about (X) --- it is up to you to define what (X) is. ..Otherwise your claim in meaningless nothing.

And Yes your claim was proven wrong .. as there is evidence that the Sun and Moon exist.

Just because there is was no evidence that water did not exist anywhere in the universe but Earth .. did not prove that water did not exist in the Universe anywhere but Earth .. K K ?! U Understand >? Just because we have no proof of the existence of aliens .. .does not mean they do not exist.

Now define what you mean by "God"

 

[Godobeyer]

I just presume the universe, which I consider the entirety of all that is has always existed. Which I have no greater chance of proving than Allah having always existed. However I think something must have always been around since I can't conceive of sometime coming from nothing.

Nothing can't create something exist, on contrary which exist who can create something.
Whatever do you believe in big bang?

 

[loverofhumanity]

I know God exists. As clear as the sun to me.

 

[Nakosis]

Nothing can't create something exist, on contrary which exist who can create something.
Whatever do you believe in big bang?

That the expansion of the universe, the Big Bang, was a transition from one form of the universe to another.
The universe is continually changing its form. Change is the only thing that is constant.

If God has to be constant then I would have to say the only God is change itself.

 

[Nakosis]

Not time dependant

Everything seems to me time dependent.

 

[ChristineM]

Holy Carp ... what part of ..... If you are the one making claims about (X) --- it is up to you to define what (X) is. ..Otherwise your claim in meaningless nothing.

And Yes your claim was proven wrong .. as there is evidence that the Sun and Moon exist.

Just because there is was no evidence that water did not exist anywhere in the universe but Earth .. did not prove that water did not exist in the Universe anywhere but Earth .. K K ?! U Understand >? Just because we have no proof of the existence of aliens .. .does not mean they do not exist.

Now define what you mean by "God"

First off, you introduced (x), i provided some of my reasons i post 36. You don't like it then tough.

Then there are about 6 billion people with belief in a god or gods, every belief is different, don't ask me to redefine what you or believers in general cannot define.

My claim is not proven wong and throwing strawmen into the argument doesn't help. The sum and moon have little to do with it... Though admittedly,both have been considered gods.

Yes there is evidence for the existence of water in the universe.
And aliens? Why not leprechauns?

Now don't tell me what to do.

 

[Godobeyer]

That the expansion of the universe, the Big Bang, was a transition from one form of the universe to another.
The universe is continually changing its form. Change is the only thing that is constant.

If God has to be constant then I would have to say the only God is change itself.

It's already told in Qur'an, how big bang, and univers is extending.

How could Muhammad knew that,is he scientist?

 

[Bear Wild]

Absolutely… Jesus was fully male.

This is an enlightening idea. In a way it makes sense since that in order for god to come into Mary's home and have sex with here he must be male. I wonder if god gave Mary a choice at having sex? I hope is was consensual at least. It might have been better if god stuck around to help with the baby or was that just deleted from the bible. It would have been awkward to have god and her future husband around together so maybe he couldn't stay. This generates interesting questions surrounding mary's pregnancy. Thanks

 

[Quintessence]

I know God exists. As clear as the sun to me.

Haha... while I know this isn't what you meant, this resonated with me because Sun is literally one of the gods in some traditions, my own included. Like, it's... kind of right there?

 

[InChrist]

So then you also believe there is no evidence outside of the Bible of a God existing?

How do you think this information was revealed to the writers of the Bible? Dreams? Visions? Direct communication with God?

Some folks believed they have had a direct experience with God. Relying more on their own experience than what is in the Bible.

I think there’s evidence besides the Bible; creation, life…


For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
Romans 1: 20-21


I believe those who wrote the biblical scriptures were inspired by God, moved by the Holy Spirit…

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God,..
2 Timothy 3:16


…knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
1 Peter 1:20-21

 

[Spice]

I do not like dealing in odds, since that is black box science; whims of the gods. The statistical math is relatively new, but the whims of the gods approach is very ancient. I am more of a rationalist; Age of Reason, that left behind the whims of the gods. I am not sure why so much of science regressed back to before the age of reason. The Age of Enlightenment went back to the age of black box darkness using a math oracle like a flashlight. You can take an Atheist out of religion but not religion out of an Atheist.

My best logical reason; light, for God has to do with the 2nd law of thermodynamics, which states that the entropy of the universe has to increase. Science has many theories, but very few laws. Laws count the most, with theories a dime a dozen. Logically, if you can use a law of science, to explain God, it should count as much as a dozen theories.

In the free energy equation G=H-TS, where G is the free energy, H is the enthalpy or internal energy, T is the temperature in degrees Kelvin, and S is the entropy, the 2nd law by stating that the entropy of S of the universe has to increase, means that the free energy of the universe is decreasing with time. The minus sign means as S gets bigger, G gets smaller; more S means less G. The 2nd law has S leading the universe to the future. Both G and H, as well as T, decrease over time. The second law should be the first law.

The 2nd law implies, that our material universe is bleeding free energy, into entropy increase; 2nd law. Since energy is being conserved; energy conservation law, and energy cannot be created or destroyed, but can only change form, if the material universe of the BB is bleeding free energy but also conserving it, where is this lost energy going? Where is it being stored and in what form?

We can recycle the energy trapped as entropy increases; we can lower entropy, but this costs more energy do than we can get back. In essence, the universe has to stockpile this ever increasing lost energy, at the expense of our material universe. In a sense, a secondary entropic based energy realm is being formed, as the BB universe moves forward in time. The red shift of the universe, where photons are type of permanent energy, by becoming longer and longer wavelengths, means they have less and less energy value. The expanding universe is a natural artifact of this permanent lost energy, into the entropic realm.

Entropy increase is important to life compared to inanimate states like rocks; evolution. Cells generated a lot of entropy increase due to metabolism breaking down food material into smaller materials; water and gases. The rock, on the other hand reaches steady state and stops in time. Life is special for the 2nd law entropic economy. Neurons, which are connected to the brain and consciousness generate the most entropy; extensive wiring, of all the cells of the body. Both the body and the brain, by generating increasing entropy, are sending lost energy to the conservation realm, that cannot be net recycled by the material universe; according to the second law of thermodynamics.

The term entropy was first coined in the 18th century during the development of steam engines. When they did tests, energy was always missing that could not be accounted for. This lost energy; lost to the universe, was coined entropy. It is real and can be measured. In Chemical Engineering, where you scale chemical processes you need to take into account lost energy or else your chemical process will become a piece of crap.

In engineering and chemistry, entropy is considered a state variable, meaning for any given state of matter, like water at 25C and 1 atmosphere pressure, has a specific measurable value of entropy. This value does not change no matter how you reach that state. Entropy is like a specific fingerprint for any state of matter; an information stamp at the quantum level.

It is very possible that the lost and growing pool of entropic energy storage, as defined by the 2nd law, is the information data of all the material states that once were, since the BB. The ancients called this the soul; universel, earth, animal and humans.

Our memory fires neurons and as we mature, the brain and body increase entropy over time; evolving entropic states. It is very likely these are all recorded and stored in a different type of Cloud Storage; Universal Entropy State Cloud; quantum realm via energy conservation. This is not about throwing dice and forming a consensus in the black box of a casino, but this is about following a solid logic stemming from an accepted Law of science and engineering. Engineering is the ultimate test of science, since it needs to push any theory beyond the lab and test tubes, into scaled reality; ultimate tests of science. Dice and cards science does not scale this well, compared to rational science and engineering using the 2nd law.

I have given physics some tools to help explore this; independent space and independent time. They seem afraid of the light, due to living so long in the black box darkness groping, close to the black box walls, like blind men.

Reading things like this has always made me wish I had a scientific mind. It sounds fascinating, though I understand little. Thanks for sharing. It certainly has given me something to ponder.

 

[Spice]

Your comment contains 3 logical fallacies -- 3 errors in logic -- 3 examples of false logic ..

1) lack of evidence does not prove God does not exist .. regardless of how desperate one wishes this to be true
2) Your claim that no evidence exists in of itself is assumed premise fallacy .. you do not know for a fact that no evidence exists.
3) You have not defined what God is .. and thus can not claim there is no evidence for an undefined element.. and I gave you an example previously so it is strange that you repeat fallacy. If God is defined as wind -- we have all kinds of evidence for wind.

There are many coherent definitions of God .. don't let your incoherence (and numerous flaws in logic) define others around you ... and realize that you can not make defacto claims about an undefined quantity ..

Define what it is you are talking about por favor --- What is you defining as God .. when you claim you can find no evidence for God. No evidence for what Christine ?

MAGIC (or the supernatural) is only undiscovered science. True?