How on earth can the Qur'an be considered the perfect book?

[LuisDantas]

yes that's why they invade islamic lands. Invasion is the modern term of tolerated murder.

Is it too much to ask you to disapprove of that?

 

[use_your_brain]

Is it too much to ask you to disapprove of that?

go ahead.

 

[LuisDantas]

Do you disapprove of military intervention and invasions on Arab lands?

 

[use_your_brain]

Do you disapprove of military intervention and invasions on Arab lands?

It is sad to see my muslims brothers are killed by crusaders via their military intervention.
But it is the Arab fate. Military Intervention suppose to clean arab lands from fake muslims such as saddam, bashar, asisi and queen noor. Allah has a great plan.
so, perhaps I approve and disapprove. I approve because it generates the pure islamic movement, and disapprove because the intervention kill many muslims.

 

[LuisDantas]

Oh boy.

 

[Useless2015]

It is sad to see my muslims brothers are killed by crusaders via their military intervention.
But it is the Arab fate. Military Intervention suppose to clean arab lands from fake muslims such as saddam, bashar, asisi and queen noor. Allah has a great plan.
so, perhaps I approve and disapprove. I approve because it generates the pure islamic movement, and disapprove because the intervention kill many muslims.

Saddam was a muslim. His last words were: I testify that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammed s.a.w is His Messenger.

 

[LuisDantas]

And yet he was also considered secular. It is dangerous to assume that secularists in Muslim countries are very similar to those of "the West".

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

They are scholar books, not religious book. They talk only about material stuff not the deity, life after death, and religious stuff.

Perhaps because they are non-fiction?

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

I waisted my time reading it, thanks and good luck

Funny I thought the same when I read the Koran.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Yes they are sound unrealistic, but in fact they are, realistic.
human cannot understand the language of the birds and the ants, except Prophet Sulaiman he able to.
If Jiin were not created from fire, then from what they supposed to be created?

I don't know, lets find a Jinn and scientifically verify it, let me know when you see one.

 

[FearGod]

Funny I thought the same when I read the Koran.

You don't have to.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

God always be the source in all cases.
related to the murdering of the people from other religions, it is their fault for believing different from mine.

So you would be ok with Christians slaughtering Muslims?

Or is it only when your group does it?

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

You don't have to.

True, but I wanted to.

I cannot judge a work until I have read it.

I promptly labelled it dark fantasy.

 

[FearGod]

True, but I wanted to.

I cannot judge a work until I have read it.

I promptly labelled it dark fantasy.

Did you read the whole quran?

 

[LuisDantas]

Did you read the whole quran?

Do you sincerely think reading 100% of the Qur'an makes much of a difference from reading, say, five random Surahs?

 

[FearGod]

Do you sincerely think reading 100% of the Qur'an makes much of a difference from reading, say, five random Surahs?

Where did i say so?, i asked a question?

 

[LuisDantas]

And I asked another. Simple as that.

If you want to leave mine to answer after you receive the answers to yours, it is up to you.

But surely it is not too much of a thing to ask?

 

[muhammad_isa]

Of course it's humans doing the actual fighting. I never suggested otherwise. What I did say is that Islam provided Muslims with motivation for invading other cities, then other empires; what with all the verses in the Quran calling for violence against non-Muslims, and Muhammed's own examples of offensive warfare.

When it comes to war, it's a really a question of "who started it?" .. Your conclusion is too simple.

1. "Allah does not like those who start aggression"

This means that the call for violence against non-muslims is only against those who start aggression .. seems reasonable to me

2. "Muhammad's examples" , peace be with Him, do not show us that he was an aggressor .. he was a defender of the realm. If you hear that a large army from a nearby nation is marching on you, you have a choice .. take action, or wait until it arrives!

 

[Shad]

When it comes to war, it's a really a question of "who started it?" .. Your conclusion is too simple.

1. "Allah does not like those who start aggression"

Then the invasion of Persia and Byzantium by the first three caliphs were against God. Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman all invade these empires without cause.

This means that the call for violence against non-muslims is only against those who start aggression .. seems reasonable to me

The Ottomans were never attacked by Byzantium. They became vassals then violated their oaths. The first 3 caliph attacked Byzantium and Persia not Persia and Byzantium attacking them.

2. "Muhammad's examples" , peace be with Him, do not show us that he was an aggressor .. he was a defender of the realm. If you hear that a large army from a nearby nation is marching on you, you have a choice .. take action, or wait until it arrives!

You mean the example of him sending armies to conquer Arabia without cause? Great example of a war monger you have there.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Then the invasion of Persia and Byzantium by the first three caliphs were against God. Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman all invade these empires without cause.

You were talking about "Muhammad's examples" .. so I'll leave thia issue for now..

You mean the example of him sending armies to conquer Arabia without cause? Great example of a war monger you have there.

..and the proof of this? How do you conclude that Muhammad's intentions were not honourable, and of defence only