How on earth can the Qur'an be considered the perfect book?

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

His throne is not in this world, it is on the water out there, non earthly water. The levels of our universe consist of some stages:
1. world/earth.
2. first heaven/sky, the second heaven until 7th heaven.
3. sidratul muntaha.
4. water.
5. Arshy/throne.

like that. His throne is on the water.

Prophet said: …The heaven which is above it is at a similar distance (going on till he counted seven heavens). Above the seventh heaven there is a sea/water, the distance between whose surface and bottom is like that between one heaven and the next… [Sunan of Abu Dawood, Hadith no. 2205]

He created the heavens and the earth in six days and His Throne was on the water
وَهُوَ الَّذِي خَلَق السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ فِي سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍ وَكَانَ عَرْشُهُ عَلَى الْمَاء
Read verse well in Arabic
The rule of jurisprudence can not diligence or exegesis If the text is clear
Each interpretation is trying to get out of this impasse
And the seven heavens and tour Mohammed in Flowers on the back of Buraq are myths can not be accepted in the twenty-first century

 

[use_your_brain]

He created the heavens and the earth in six days and His Throne was on the water
وَهُوَ الَّذِي خَلَق السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ فِي سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍ وَكَانَ عَرْشُهُ عَلَى الْمَاء
Read verse well in Arabic
The rule of jurisprudence can not diligence or exegesis If the text is clear
Each interpretation is trying to get out of this impasse
And the seven heavens and tour Mohammed in Flowers on the back of Buraq are myths can not be accepted in the twenty-first century

yes His throne is on water. any wrong with this assertion?

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Ah, I see what you mean, now.

I haven't read Kabbalah literature, so I don't know much about this group.

The Kabbalah were a different and distinctive sect of Judaism, which most Jews don't follow, and they don't take their traditions and texts seriously, except for those who followed the Kabbalah.

The Kabbalah to the Jews are like the Ahmadiyya to the Sunni. Just as the Sunni don't follow the texts and teaching of Ahmadi, the majority of Jews don't follow the teaching and texts of Kabbalah.

You know how Muslims believe that the Qur'an is the primary source for Islam, and if traditions including the Hadiths differ from the Qur'an, then they should follow the Qur'an, not the traditions or hadiths.

Well the same is true for Jews. Highest priority is given to the Tanakh, particularly the Torah, so any tradition that differ to the Tanakh, then the Tanakh should be followed, not the traditions.

Similarly, Christians give the highest prior to teaching in the gospels over epistles and over church traditions.

Do you understand what I am saying about scriptures versus traditions?

Kabbalah is the charm of the book depends a lot upon the magicians
And also where some of the mathematical equations Amarsat
It's trying to link between matter and spirit
My Information for this Jewish Alkepplah

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

yes His throne is on water. any wrong with this assertion?

Can you guide me to this throne?
Where is he? Is it in the Atlantic Ocean?
Or on the Alteiber river ??
You are visiting the house of God in Mecca ??
So why not visit his throne also ???It's a myth and an Islamic order of words
His throne was on the water ??
It means that the story of creation in six days is not correct ??
Events says he created the universe in six days
And water are among those stages
This means that the water is not on his throne, O Share

 

[use_your_brain]

Can you guide me to this throne?
Where is he? Is it in the Atlantic Ocean?
Or on the Alteiber river ??
You are visiting the house of God in Mecca ??
So why not visit his throne also ???It's a myth and an Islamic order of words
His throne was on the water ??
It means that the story of creation in six days is not correct ??
Events says he created the universe in six days
And water are among those stages
This means that the water is not on his throne, O Share

It is not in this world, it is a non earthly water, but in out there out of our space.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

yes His throne is on water. any wrong with this assertion?

It's a myth and an Islamic order of words
His throne was on the water ??
It means that the story of creation in six days is not correct ??
Events says he created the universe in six days
And water are among those stages
This means that the water is not on his throne, O Share

 

[use_your_brain]

take alook my answer above.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

It is not in this world, it is a non earthly water, but in out there out of our space.

You provide us with an explanation does not agree with the words of the Koran
Verse says
The creation of the land in six days
It was his throne on the water
And so I know you know that God mounted the throne, and these words from Thunder ( ثُمَّ اسْتَوَى عَلَى العَرْشِ ) الأعراف/ 54 ،
Read the interpretation of this ??
He wrote of Islam
In Saheeh Muslim, Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-Aas said: The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him: "God as much as the amounts of creatures before He created the heavens and the earth fifty thousand years, and it was his throne on the water."
It was his throne on the water part of the verse from Surah Hood where glorified his ability to show everything, and that he created the heavens and the earth in six days, and that his throne Almighty was on the water before He created the heavens and the earth.
Ibn Kathir said, may God have mercy on him: He Aloamc Almnhal Amr ibn Said ibn Jubayr said: Ibn Abbas was asked about the words of God: and his throne was on the water on anything it was the water? He said on board the wind. End quote
God knows

This from the Qur'an and science site

.Relevance to accept, that the water in the verse is a fluid state (this is the template meaning pure) prior to the darn case, which followed the case of hernia and characterized the material ground for celestial condition. And that it is desirable, that this water was a body kisses-material and which marked a occupies more space than it was, became more like a smoke in terms of proliferation and low density (sky smoky, without any synthetic relationship goes to the mind with atoms usual because they were not been created yet ), and it was in the case of communication continuum in which no differentiation (ie: the case of atresia), which Anaftguet from each other was more like a concentrically Anaftagaha vapor (smoke) to the water drops. Were these drops are the primary physical particles that Petrakpha formed atoms, and left Condensate smoke from Ahioz was fill become Khalaoua, a free article usual sky, but not necessarily to naught ... and which supports this sense, that the nuclei of atoms of material knowledge that make up the material known universe, her qualities of fluidity, so that a so-called nuclear interpretation models (liquid drop model). That is a strong perceptions dictated by experiments on atomic nuclei (ie nuclear reactions) that the nucleus of the atom similar to a large extent drop fluid liquid drop. .... I went to the so-called (neutron stars) - imagine if ratified by cosmologists and they also - Vtgdaa as close as possible to the ball tremendous fluid (Sea spherical body) of nuclear material electrically neutral (which are called neutrons) .. Hence, It came the name (neutron stars), ... It is advisable to visualize matter in the universe known to have been in the case of a fluid-like neutron stars Authority before they are torn and scattered and spread in the universe as we see. .... And pay attention to the fluidity or liquidity (liquidity / fluidity) is nothing to do with the water density (compound of hydrogen and oxygen), .. No one objected to the presence of a huge difference between the water mixture density and intensity of neutron star - who compare the situation with which we seek to imagine, do not say it is is - lesson in (fluid / liquid / water) it is located between Aljsuh rigidity on the one hand not to move elastomer points relative to each and consolidate each other, and the situation (gas / air) gaseous state where there is no any links between the points Midfield invader. This means that the center of the fluid is what can move the article points without losing their Interaction Altmaskeyh. Not considered here it prevents the recipe because of the fluidity of hyper density as in the nuclei of atoms, or lightness as in the water we drink.Do you know the confusion in the interpretation of this verse among Muslims and between scholars of ancient Muslim jurists in this day and age
Do you believe that the Quran is the words of deciphering secret can not be interpreted ???
That all the old and new interpretations will not be able Althafik between the contradiction between the mind and the Koran
Mind rejected the idea of the throne of God on the water
The Koran says that his throne was on the water
Note that the water created later ??

 

[FearGod]

It's a myth and an Islamic order of words
His throne was on the water ??
It means that the story of creation in six days is not correct ??
Events says he created the universe in six days
And water are among those stages
This means that the water is not on his throne, O Share

OMG, not different than the others, you need to think and not just reading.
The verse says His Throne was وَكَانَ which means before the creation of this universe.

 

[use_your_brain]

You provide us with an explanation does not agree with the words of the Koran
Verse says
The creation of the land in six days
It was his throne on the water
And so I know you know that God mounted the throne, and these words from Thunder ( ثُمَّ اسْتَوَى عَلَى العَرْشِ ) الأعراف/ 54 ،
Read the interpretation of this ??
He wrote of Islam
In Saheeh Muslim, Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-Aas said: The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him: "God as much as the amounts of creatures before He created the heavens and the earth fifty thousand years, and it was his throne on the water."
It was his throne on the water part of the verse from Surah Hood where glorified his ability to show everything, and that he created the heavens and the earth in six days, and that his throne Almighty was on the water before He created the heavens and the earth.
Ibn Kathir said, may God have mercy on him: He Aloamc Almnhal Amr ibn Said ibn Jubayr said: Ibn Abbas was asked about the words of God: and his throne was on the water on anything it was the water? He said on board the wind. End quote
God knows

This from the Qur'an and science site

.Relevance to accept, that the water in the verse is a fluid state (this is the template meaning pure) prior to the darn case, which followed the case of hernia and characterized the material ground for celestial condition. And that it is desirable, that this water was a body kisses-material and which marked a occupies more space than it was, became more like a smoke in terms of proliferation and low density (sky smoky, without any synthetic relationship goes to the mind with atoms usual because they were not been created yet ), and it was in the case of communication continuum in which no differentiation (ie: the case of atresia), which Anaftguet from each other was more like a concentrically Anaftagaha vapor (smoke) to the water drops. Were these drops are the primary physical particles that Petrakpha formed atoms, and left Condensate smoke from Ahioz was fill become Khalaoua, a free article usual sky, but not necessarily to naught ... and which supports this sense, that the nuclei of atoms of material knowledge that make up the material known universe, her qualities of fluidity, so that a so-called nuclear interpretation models (liquid drop model). That is a strong perceptions dictated by experiments on atomic nuclei (ie nuclear reactions) that the nucleus of the atom similar to a large extent drop fluid liquid drop. .... I went to the so-called (neutron stars) - imagine if ratified by cosmologists and they also - Vtgdaa as close as possible to the ball tremendous fluid (Sea spherical body) of nuclear material electrically neutral (which are called neutrons) .. Hence, It came the name (neutron stars), ... It is advisable to visualize matter in the universe known to have been in the case of a fluid-like neutron stars Authority before they are torn and scattered and spread in the universe as we see. .... And pay attention to the fluidity or liquidity (liquidity / fluidity) is nothing to do with the water density (compound of hydrogen and oxygen), .. No one objected to the presence of a huge difference between the water mixture density and intensity of neutron star - who compare the situation with which we seek to imagine, do not say it is is - lesson in (fluid / liquid / water) it is located between Aljsuh rigidity on the one hand not to move elastomer points relative to each and consolidate each other, and the situation (gas / air) gaseous state where there is no any links between the points Midfield invader. This means that the center of the fluid is what can move the article points without losing their Interaction Altmaskeyh. Not considered here it prevents the recipe because of the fluidity of hyper density as in the nuclei of atoms, or lightness as in the water we drink.Do you know the confusion in the interpretation of this verse among Muslims and between scholars of ancient Muslim jurists in this day and age
Do you believe that the Quran is the words of deciphering secret can not be interpreted ???
That all the old and new interpretations will not be able Althafik between the contradiction between the mind and the Koran
Mind rejected the idea of the throne of God on the water
The Koran says that his throne was on the water
Note that the water created later ??

what does the Throne have to do with the creation of the universe in six days?

 

[FearGod]

You provide us with an explanation does not agree with the words of the Koran
Verse says
The creation of the land in six days
It was his throne on the water
And so I know you know that God mounted the throne, and these words from Thunder ( ثُمَّ اسْتَوَى عَلَى العَرْشِ ) الأعراف/ 54 ،
Read the interpretation of this ??
He wrote of Islam
In Saheeh Muslim, Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-Aas said: The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him: "God as much as the amounts of creatures before He created the heavens and the earth fifty thousand years, and it was his throne on the water."
It was his throne on the water part of the verse from Surah Hood where glorified his ability to show everything, and that he created the heavens and the earth in six days, and that his throne Almighty was on the water before He created the heavens and the earth.
Ibn Kathir said, may God have mercy on him: He Aloamc Almnhal Amr ibn Said ibn Jubayr said: Ibn Abbas was asked about the words of God: and his throne was on the water on anything it was the water? He said on board the wind. End quote
God knows

This from the Qur'an and science site

.Relevance to accept, that the water in the verse is a fluid state (this is the template meaning pure) prior to the darn case, which followed the case of hernia and characterized the material ground for celestial condition. And that it is desirable, that this water was a body kisses-material and which marked a occupies more space than it was, became more like a smoke in terms of proliferation and low density (sky smoky, without any synthetic relationship goes to the mind with atoms usual because they were not been created yet ), and it was in the case of communication continuum in which no differentiation (ie: the case of atresia), which Anaftguet from each other was more like a concentrically Anaftagaha vapor (smoke) to the water drops. Were these drops are the primary physical particles that Petrakpha formed atoms, and left Condensate smoke from Ahioz was fill become Khalaoua, a free article usual sky, but not necessarily to naught ... and which supports this sense, that the nuclei of atoms of material knowledge that make up the material known universe, her qualities of fluidity, so that a so-called nuclear interpretation models (liquid drop model). That is a strong perceptions dictated by experiments on atomic nuclei (ie nuclear reactions) that the nucleus of the atom similar to a large extent drop fluid liquid drop. .... I went to the so-called (neutron stars) - imagine if ratified by cosmologists and they also - Vtgdaa as close as possible to the ball tremendous fluid (Sea spherical body) of nuclear material electrically neutral (which are called neutrons) .. Hence, It came the name (neutron stars), ... It is advisable to visualize matter in the universe known to have been in the case of a fluid-like neutron stars Authority before they are torn and scattered and spread in the universe as we see. .... And pay attention to the fluidity or liquidity (liquidity / fluidity) is nothing to do with the water density (compound of hydrogen and oxygen), .. No one objected to the presence of a huge difference between the water mixture density and intensity of neutron star - who compare the situation with which we seek to imagine, do not say it is is - lesson in (fluid / liquid / water) it is located between Aljsuh rigidity on the one hand not to move elastomer points relative to each and consolidate each other, and the situation (gas / air) gaseous state where there is no any links between the points Midfield invader. This means that the center of the fluid is what can move the article points without losing their Interaction Altmaskeyh. Not considered here it prevents the recipe because of the fluidity of hyper density as in the nuclei of atoms, or lightness as in the water we drink.Do you know the confusion in the interpretation of this verse among Muslims and between scholars of ancient Muslim jurists in this day and age
Do you believe that the Quran is the words of deciphering secret can not be interpreted ???
That all the old and new interpretations will not be able Althafik between the contradiction between the mind and the Koran
Mind rejected the idea of the throne of God on the water
The Koran says that his throne was on the water
Note that the water created later ??

Do you think we all here wearing eyeglasses.

 

[FearGod]

what does the Throne have to do with the creation of the universe in six days?

I hope he can explain his point which is pointless.

 

[gnostic]

they are all true tales.

Are they?

Each one that I have brought up, sounds like a children story, exaggerated and unrealistic.

Can human really understand the languages of birds and ants?

No.

There are some birds, like cockatoo and parrot that mimic some words of human speech, but they don't understand what they are mimicking. That's not talking; they can only mimic. And Solomon being able to understand and talk to ants is utterly ridiculous.

And jinns are fascinating myth, but they are just a myth. Can a being be made out of smokeless fire? That's even more ridiculous than talking ants.

 

[use_your_brain]

Are they?

Each one that I have brought up, sounds like a children story, exaggerated and unrealistic.

Can human really understand the languages of birds and ants?

No.

There are some birds, like cockatoo and parrot that mimic some words of human speech, but they don't understand what they are mimicking. That's not talking; they can only mimic. And Solomon being able to understand and talk to ants is utterly ridiculous.

And jinns are fascinating myth, but they are just a myth. Can a being be made out of smokeless fire? That's even more ridiculous than talking ants.

Yes they are sound unrealistic, but in fact they are, realistic.
human cannot understand the language of the birds and the ants, except Prophet Sulaiman he able to.
If Jiin were not created from fire, then from what they supposed to be created?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

That's right .. blame the Muslims and Almighty God for all the evil in the world ..

I didn't actually do that. I suggest you engage with what I said instead of what you want me to have said.

It can't be human beings themselves that is to blame, whatever their religion, could it?
Islam does not have an expansionist policy. Human beings might very well have .. unfortunately they are "violent in their love of wealth"

Of course it's humans doing the actual fighting. I never suggested otherwise. What I did say is that Islam provided Muslims with motivation for invading other cities, then other empires; what with all the verses in the Quran calling for violence against non-Muslims, and Muhammed's own examples of offensive warfare.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

yes, the murder can be justified in a divine way.

In which case God cannot and should not be considered the source of all morality because he's willing to act and permit immoral actions against people simply because they don't believe in him.

murder is not always the bad thing.

It is when the victim is being murdered for the 'crime' of believing differently from you.

 

[use_your_brain]

In which case God cannot and should not be considered the source of all morality because he's willing to act and permit immoral actions against people simply because they don't believe in him.




It is when the victim is being murdered for the 'crime' of believing differently from you.

God always be the source in all cases.
related to the murdering of the people from other religions, it is their fault for believing different from mine.

 

[FearGod]

Are they?

Each one that I have brought up, sounds like a children story, exaggerated and unrealistic.

Can human really understand the languages of birds and ants?

No.

There are some birds, like cockatoo and parrot that mimic some words of human speech, but they don't understand what they are mimicking. That's not talking; they can only mimic. And Solomon being able to understand and talk to ants is utterly ridiculous.

And jinns are fascinating myth, but they are just a myth. Can a being be made out of smokeless fire? That's even more ridiculous than talking ants.

Dogs can smell with a distance of 1km, they can locate hidden things from their odour with a distance.
You find it normal and realistic, we explain it that dogs have powerful smelling abilities that we
don't have, if God created a human that got the ability to hear what the ants talk then that's
unbelievable and a fairy tale..

 

[LuisDantas]

God always be the source in all cases.
related to the murdering of the people from other religions, it is their fault for believing different from mine.

If one accepts that, then it must follow that non-Muslims are fully entitled to murder Muslims simply because they are Muslims.

I don't think that is a conclusion that anyone may morally defend.

 

[use_your_brain]

If one accepts that, then it must follow that non-Muslims are fully entitled to murder Muslims simply because they are Muslims.

I don't think that is a conclusion that anyone may morally defend.

yes that's why they invade islamic lands. Invasion is the modern term of tolerated murder.