How on earth can the Qur'an be considered the perfect book?

[Taylor Seraphim]

(89:1) By the dawn. وَالفَجرِ
(89:2) And the ten nights. وَلَيالٍ عَشرٍ
(89:3) By the even and the odd. وَالشَّفعِ وَالوَترِ
(89:4) By the night as it passes. وَاللَّيلِ إِذا يَسرِ
(89:5) A profound oath, for one who possesses intelligence. هَل في ذٰلِكَ قَسَمٌ لِذي حِجرٍ

The last first 89:5 made me to think deeply about the previous verses, do you understand anything from
these verses.

Explain to me why no one could have thought of this without divine intervention.

 

[FearGod]

Explain to me why no one could have thought of this without divine intervention.

Because it says that based on the dawn, the night is divided to 10 parts.

I did never know that before, so i googled for the information about the time of the dawn and the total
time for the night and surprisingly as i expected, 10 parts for the night and moreover it mentions that
the night is moving which can't be said by ancient people.

 

[use_your_brain]

You just implied that Mohhomad was telling the truth in the Quran because the Quran says so.

That is the equivalent of me writing a book saying that Nesse exists and this book is real and expect others to believe it.

Exactly, Quran says so. Then write that such book if you can.

 

[Shad]

Because it says that based on the dawn, the night is divided to 10 parts.

I did never know that before, so i googled for the information about the time of the dawn and the total
time for the night and surprisingly as i expected, 10 parts for the night and moreover it mentions that
the night is moving which can't be said by ancient people.

Problem is night does not move the Earth does.. I expect such primitives that do not understand the world as we do now to just have such a false view of the world. The Egyptians and Greeks both divided day and night into different parts. It is called an hour...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hour

Repeating ideas that people discovered centuries before the Quran is neither unique nor miraculous.

 

[Shad]

Exactly, Quran says so. Then write that such book if you can.

We have plenty of such books. Enroll in a university or go to a library which contains books vastly superior to Quran.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Because it says that based on the dawn, the night is divided to 10 parts.

I did never know that before, so i googled for the information about the time of the dawn and the total
time for the night and surprisingly as i expected, 10 parts for the night and moreover it mentions that
the night is moving which can't be said by ancient people.

I am afraid you know little of ancient peoples then.

Most ancient tribal societies had mapped the skies, including the Arabic pagans from where Mohamed was from and probably learned of these thing from.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Exactly, Quran says so. Then write that such book if you can.

Ok then how is the bible not true?

 

[FearGod]

Problem is night does not move the Earth does.. I expect such primitives that do not understand the world as we do now to just have such a false view of the world. The Egyptians and Greeks both divided day and night into different parts. It is called an hour...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hour

Repeating ideas that people discovered centuries before the Quran is neither unique nor miraculous.

The result of such movement is the day and night which is moving as well.

 

[use_your_brain]

We have plenty of such books. Enroll in a university or go to a library which contains books vastly superior to Quran.

name one of them.

 

[Shad]

The result of such movement is the day and night which is moving as well.

Yet the verse never mentions the Earth at all but treats night as if it moves itself. It doesn't

name one of them.

Any book for courses in biology, chemistry, physics. All of these are far more accurate, and not filled with mythology, than the Quran. Here is the problem with the Quran, it is a piece of literature. Views of literature are subjective. For example some people like War and Peace while some do not. Some people like Shakespeare, some do not. However when it comes to presenting factual knowledge of reality the Quran is a failure as it just repeated the common religious memes of the area that were known for centuries and developed by other people. Memes that have been shown to be false such as Adam, Moses, etc. It provided no new factual information at all.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

name one of them.

Origin of Species.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

The result of such movement is the day and night which is moving as well.

No they are not. Day is a state of a land when the sun is over it and night is a state of the land when the sun is not over it.

That is like saying "Rigid and Loose are moving around the arm."

 

[FearGod]

I am afraid you know little of ancient peoples then.

Most ancient tribal societies had mapped the skies, including the Arabic pagans from where Mohamed was from and probably learned of these thing from.

Can you prove that they knew it?
Did they measure the astronomical dawn.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Can you prove that they knew it?
Did they measure the astronomical dawn.

http://spaceodyssey.dmns.org/media/8380/inca astronomy script.doc

 

[Shad]

Yes because of the language, some facts in the quran can never be said by a human being living
in that era.

Wrong as most of these facts are just repeating ideas already known at the time. Name one fact. I will easily refute it. You will either use a fallacious argument or I will provide evidence that the belief exists prior to Islam. Keep in mind you said facts thus each is verified as true.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Lol, what makes me laugh that you accept Jesus as the son and the father and then you ask
the world to educate the Muslims, that's hilarious.

Naive answer
I rejoice, the teachings of Jesus and am proud of
I believe in the teachings of Jesus
It is the teachings of love and peace
But I Ashimiz from the teachings of Mohammed, the teachings of the war, hatred and terror
This is the essential difference between Jesus and the man Mohammed, who agreed to the slaughter of hundreds of Jews either his eyes
Do you know the difference between Jesus and Muhammad

 

[use_your_brain]

Origin of Species.

and then?

 

[use_your_brain]

Yet the verse never mentions the Earth at all but treats night as if it moves itself. It doesn't



Any book for courses in biology, chemistry, physics. All of these are far more accurate, and not filled with mythology, than the Quran. Here is the problem with the Quran, it is a piece of literature. Views of literature are subjective. For example some people like War and Peace while some do not. Some people like Shakespeare, some do not. However when it comes to presenting factual knowledge of reality the Quran is a failure as it just repeated the common religious memes of the area that were known for centuries and developed by other people. Memes that have been shown to be false such as Adam, Moses, etc. It provided no new factual information at all.

They are scholar books, not religious book. They talk only about material stuff not the deity, life after death, and religious stuff.

 

[FearGod]

http://spaceodyssey.dmns.org/media/8380/inca astronomy script.doc

I waisted my time reading it, thanks and good luck

 

[Shad]

They are scholar books, not religious book. They talk only about material stuff not the deity, life after death, and religious stuff.

Irrelevant as the Quran makes claims about material reality as well. As note I mentioned books that do not discuss material "stuff" at all like Shakespeare.