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How on earth can the Qur'an be considered the perfect book?

FearGod

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
gnostic said:
Read the Islamic biography and history of Muhammad, particularly to the events leading up to the Battle of Badr (624).

All sources come from Muslims, from traditions (hadiths) and from biographies. Whether the Muslims' accounts of the raid (623 - 624) and the battle (Badr, 624) were reliable or not, is something that you have to ask yourself.

Look it up yourself.
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I don't believe in ancient stories, looks fairy tales.
 
gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
Isn't the Qur'an claiming that Solomon can talk to birds and ants to be fable or fairytale? Or that Solomon being able to control winds, isn't that a fantasy?

Isn't the creation of Adam is a myth?

Aren't the smokeless fire beings known as jinns, come from pre-Islamic pagan Arabic folklore?

Aren't these ancient fairytales in which Muhammad gave to his followers to write down.

I find that you saying something are fairytales, and yet you believe in the fairytales in the Qur'an. Isn't that double standard, FearGod?

It's a fairytale in believing that the Qur'an is perfect.
 
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muhammad_isa

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
A Greased Scotsman said:
The Quran & the ideology it inspires has more than likely killed many many more over the hundreds of years they have existed. Sadly we can't know that with absolute certainty since census records which date to Islam's inception in Arabia & its subsequent expansionist phase don't exist - for any civilisation it encountered..
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That's right .. blame the Muslims and Almighty God for all the evil in the world ..

It can't be human beings themselves that is to blame, whatever their religion, could it?
Islam does not have an expansionist policy. Human beings might very well have .. unfortunately they are "violent in their love of wealth"
 
use_your_brain

use_your_brain

Active Member
A Greased Scotsman said:
My point is that pointing out that members of other religions also do this:
  • doesn't justify you doing it when you've already set yourself above & apart from them in terms of morality;
  • doesn't alter or counter the fact that you do it. It still means you're thinking hypocritically.

Yes.
You could make arguments in either direction.
  • Nuclear bombs can kill millions and injure millions more - plus the radiation they exude pollutes our world.
  • The Quran lends justification to chaos, murder & war against non-Muslims. Islamists with nuclear weapons (or other WMDs) would be a nightmare scenario. The Quran would give them motivation to drop nuclear bombs on the infidel.
  • Take away the nukes and Islamists can still kill millions - it just takes longer. Take away the Quran and you take away their primary motivation for doing so (with or without nukes). No Quran = no Islamists.
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yes, the murder can be justified in a divine way. murder is not always the bad thing.
 
Taylor Seraphim

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
muhammad_isa said:
That's right .. blame the Muslims and Almighty God for all the evil in the world ..

It can't be human beings themselves that is to blame, whatever their religion, could it?
Islam does not have an expansionist policy. Human beings might very well have .. unfortunately they are "violent in their love of wealth"
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Wthin the context of reality humans are responsible for evil.

Within the context of Islam Allah would be because he is all powerful and chooses for these things to happen.
 
use_your_brain

use_your_brain

Active Member
gnostic said:
Isn't the Qur'an claiming that Solomon can talk to birds and ants to be fable or fairytale? Or that Solomon being able to control winds, isn't that a fantasy?

Isn't the creation of Adam is a myth?

Aren't the smokeless fire beings known as jinns, come from pre-Islamic pagan Arabic folklore?

Aren't these ancient fairytales in which Muhammad gave to his followers to write down.

I find that you saying something are fairytales, and yet you believe in the fairytales in the Qur'an. Isn't that double standard, FearGod?

It's a fairytale in believing that the Qur'an is perfect.
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they are all true tales.
 
serp777

serp777

Well-Known Member
FearGod said:
The bible which is a holy book we believe that it was corrupted by the ancient people then
why i have to believe all the stories about prophet Muhammed.

Here's a little example of what have been said about the Jews.

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So you think the bible was corrupted but not the Quran? That's ironic.
 
FearGod

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Taylor Seraphim said:
Care to provide an example?
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(89:1) By the dawn. وَالفَجرِ
(89:2) And the ten nights. وَلَيالٍ عَشرٍ
(89:3) By the even and the odd. وَالشَّفعِ وَالوَترِ
(89:4) By the night as it passes. وَاللَّيلِ إِذا يَسرِ
(89:5) A profound oath, for one who possesses intelligence. هَل في ذٰلِكَ قَسَمٌ لِذي حِجرٍ

The last first 89:5 made me to think deeply about the previous verses, do you understand anything from
these verses.
 
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