outhouse
Atheistically
Sounds like mythology to me.
Its best used as a human guide to make this life better in moderation.
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How on earth can the Qur'an be considered the perfect book?
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Sounds like mythology to me.
Its best used as a human guide to make this life better in moderation.
outhouse
Atheistically
What if a bad lived life is a metaphor for hell?
outhouse
Atheistically
What if when you die, you are released from all bad memories and sins and transgressions, and that is a metaphor for paradise?
No one has ever came back substantiating this mythology.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
It is One's own lacking, not a demerit of Quran. Sorry, one is wrong.
Nobody could know the attributes of G-d, if He Himself does not illustrate them. With a little wisdom, one could know from the ending of the verse where a specific attribute has been mentioned the appropriate place and occasion of mentioning that attribute and how the specific attribute works or manifests. Right? Please
Regards
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use_your_brain
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Yes islam is the true mythology.
use_your_brain
Active Member
nothing compares to the horror of hell.
use_your_brain
Active Member
it is a hypothetical question. there is no such what if. paradise is the truth.
outhouse
Atheistically
What if a bad lived life is a metaphor for hell?
outhouse
Atheistically
use_your_brain
Active Member
Once one dies he she can no longer able to come back whatsoever.
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
How on earth can the Qur'an be considered the perfect book?
Quran has every teachings that is required of a religion that guides on to G-d. In this sense it is the only truthful perfect recitation/book:
Quran has every teachings that is required of a religion that guides on to G-d. In this sense it is the only truthful perfect recitation/book:
[98:3]A Messenger from Allah, recitingunto them thepure Scriptures.
[98:4]Therein are lasting commandments.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=98&verse=0
Regards[98:4]Therein are lasting commandments.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=98&verse=0
Wow! what a topic.
But wait ...
Use the following to prove that yeah Islam is really the true religion
How do we know Islam is the truth?
(a) It is the only religion that holds Allah as One, Unique, and Perfect.
(b) It is the only religion that believes in the sole worship of Allah, not Jesus, not an idol, and not an angel, only Allah.
(c) The Quran does not contain contradictions.
(d) The Quran contains scientific facts, which are 1300 years ahead of their time. The Quran, while revealed 1400 years ago contains scientific facts, which are only now being discovered. It is not in contradiction to science.
(e) Allah has challenged the world to produce the like of the Quran. And He says they won't be able to.
(f) Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the most influential man in history.
In the book "The 100 most influential men in History", written by non-Muslim, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was #1. Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) was #3.
It should be noted that even the Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) was a prophet sent by Allah but not to say that He is Allah.
Wake Up Guys
But wait ...
Use the following to prove that yeah Islam is really the true religion
How do we know Islam is the truth?
(a) It is the only religion that holds Allah as One, Unique, and Perfect.
(b) It is the only religion that believes in the sole worship of Allah, not Jesus, not an idol, and not an angel, only Allah.
(c) The Quran does not contain contradictions.
(d) The Quran contains scientific facts, which are 1300 years ahead of their time. The Quran, while revealed 1400 years ago contains scientific facts, which are only now being discovered. It is not in contradiction to science.
(e) Allah has challenged the world to produce the like of the Quran. And He says they won't be able to.
(f) Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the most influential man in history.
In the book "The 100 most influential men in History", written by non-Muslim, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was #1. Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) was #3.
It should be noted that even the Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) was a prophet sent by Allah but not to say that He is Allah.
Wake Up Guys
I'd suspect this is more true of refugees coming from Muslim countries. In western civilizations I think most have gotten used to having their beliefs questioned. Muslims born in western cultures seem more open to questions about their beliefs.
I beg to differ. Islaamic doctrine emphasizes submission and agreement far too much for it to be all that different anywhere.
You did not mention Muslim-majority communities, incidentally. How do you feel they compare in that respect?
serp777
Well-Known Member
Allah is basically just God so im wondering how that is different from Christianity.
Jesus is supposedly God made man, so its still just "allah" or God. Also why not just call him God? Three letters is easier and more sensible than 5.
Nonsense, prove it.
Like what?
How does this address anything I said or prove anything.
Not really at all. Evidence? Also how are you defining influence? And he was more influential than hitler? Muhammad didn't start a world war and lead to the development of nuclear weapons and then indirectly cause the United States to become a military industrial juggernaught that dominated the 20th century. Hitler did more damage, slaughtered more people, and impacted the world more severely. And why do you feel the need to say peace be upon him? He wasn't peaceful, he was a warlord who won many battles. Seriously do you know all of the wars that be upon him?
Well, I'm relying on some Muslims I personally know. They seemed to invite questioning. I know it anecdotal but it's what I can go by. Muslims-majority communities like in England/France I think are mostly composed of immigrants because of the EU and likely bring their culture with them. In the US...
Not as good as I thought. Looking at several sources, half want Sharia law and 1 in 4 felt violence would be justified in imposing it. I guess I really need to look into it more, but It's almost impossible to find unbiased sources wrt Islam.
Pew research on Muslim views.
The World’s Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society
Yet the US is not represented? Seems odd they'd leave that out. Even Russia is here for God's sake.
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
A day from Allah's perspective is:
One thousand years
Surah 22:47: "Yet they ask thee to hasten on the Punishment! But Allah will not fail in His Promise. Verily a Day in the sight of thy Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning. "
Fifty thousand years
Surah 70:4: "The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years: "
There's one contradiction.
Judaism is purely monotheistic; so is Sikhi, Baha'ism and some forms of Zoroastrianism
Nope. As I mentioned above, Judaism, Sikhi, Baha'ism and Zoroastrianism are all monotheistic.
Yes it does.
Then why didn't Muslims figure this out when the Qur'an was given to them 1,400 years ago? Why does it just happen to coincide with modern science?
That's like saying Shakespeare or Rumi were divinely inspired because they wrote great poetry with no-one to compare to them. It's a stupid argument.
That's subjective and means nothing.
Muhammad revealed Quran 4:24 to pressure his followers to rape married women.
If you look at Ibn Kathir and the Hadith, we get the following story:
-Muhammad's own followers initially refused to rape kidnapped married women, since their husbands were still alive.
-As a result of this refusal, Muhammad reveals verse 4:24 which encourages raping married women "your right hands possess" i.e. kidnapped.
Links to Ibn Kathir and Hadith:
Quran Tafsir Ibn Kathir - Forbidding Women Already Married, Except for Female Slaves
Hadith - Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah) - Sunan Abi Dawud - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)
Hadith - The Book of Suckling - Sahih Muslim - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)
Ibn Kathir says:
"The Ayah means, you are prohibited from marrying women who are already married, except those whom your right hands possess, except those whom you acquire through war, for you are allowed such women after making sure they are not pregnant. Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri said, "We captured some women from the area of Awtas who were already married, and we disliked having sexual relations with them because they already had husbands. So, we asked the Prophet about this matter, and this Ayah was revealed, Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess. Consequently, we had sexual relations with these women."
If you look at Ibn Kathir and the Hadith, we get the following story:
-Muhammad's own followers initially refused to rape kidnapped married women, since their husbands were still alive.
-As a result of this refusal, Muhammad reveals verse 4:24 which encourages raping married women "your right hands possess" i.e. kidnapped.
Links to Ibn Kathir and Hadith:
Quran Tafsir Ibn Kathir - Forbidding Women Already Married, Except for Female Slaves
Hadith - Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah) - Sunan Abi Dawud - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)
Hadith - The Book of Suckling - Sahih Muslim - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)
Ibn Kathir says:
"The Ayah means, you are prohibited from marrying women who are already married, except those whom your right hands possess, except those whom you acquire through war, for you are allowed such women after making sure they are not pregnant. Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri said, "We captured some women from the area of Awtas who were already married, and we disliked having sexual relations with them because they already had husbands. So, we asked the Prophet about this matter, and this Ayah was revealed, Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess. Consequently, we had sexual relations with these women."