How Russian news sells the war

[Estro Felino]

Falsification will always happen because every source has
an agenda. The only differences are the degree & the direction.
Criticize the west all you want, but we have the tremendous
advantage of diversity, unlike Russia & China.

I belong to the West and I belong in the West.

I would like to know what criterion dictates that Kiev is West, whereas Moscow is East.

I suspect the US Deep State has always done anything to isolate Russia from the rest of Europe.

 

[Stevicus]

I love Americans...but this is what sumps up the last 3 centuries.

19th century: Monroe says that the Americas are their own business. No European can interfere.

Yes, although in fairness, most Americans didn't want to be involved in European affairs either through most of the 19th century. However, the only real major power we needed to worry about was Britain. France and Spain were weakened.

The other major foreign policy aspiration of the US at the time was "Freedom of the Seas," and this has remained so ever since. We didn't want anyone messing with our ships. Both the US and Britain saw eye-to-eye on that point, because each in our own way, the seas were our lifeline.

20th century: Europe becomes USA's business. Nobody can interfere

Starting with WW1, yes. The reason the US declared war was due to the Kaiser's declaration of unrestricted submarine warfare which would have been considered a valid pretext for war under the doctrine of "freedom of the seas." There was also the Zimmermann Note which suggested the possibility of the Germans encouraging Mexico to attack the U.S.

But after that, the US went back to its original norm of "no foreign entanglements." Some people call it "isolationism," but I think that term is a misnomer, since we still maintained amicable relations with most of the world, continued to trade, had open travel and communication with other countries - though immigration was severely restricted from 1924 until after WW2.

21th century: Africa and Middle East becomes USA's business. Nobody can interfere.

The World Wars weakened Britain and France, which caused restlessness in their empires and the chaotic situation which dominated geopolitics in the decades following WW2. A lot of colonies wanted to become independent but the West feared that the Soviets would take advantage of the power vacuum that was forming in the world.

Some might refer to continued Western hegemony in these regions as a form of "neo-colonialism" or often known as "imperialism," while we officially proclaim these former colonies to be free, independent, and sovereign. There appears to be some inherent need to maintain that illusion at all costs.

 

[Estro Felino]

Some might refer to continued Western hegemony in these regions as a form of "neo-colonialism" or often known as "imperialism," while we officially proclaim these former colonies to be free, independent, and sovereign. There appears to be some inherent need to maintain that illusion at all costs.

I give you an example from the 21st century.

Italy tells the United States: "you need to trust me, Libya used to be a colony of mine. Now it is a very wealthy country, I have worked hard with Gaddafi to make it prosperous. Gaddafi is to be trusted."

US responds Italy: " I do not care. I am the United States...I decide because I am everything."

It is not imperialism. It is much deeper than that.

 

[Revoltingest]

I belong to the West and I belong in the West.

I would like to know what criterion dictates that Kiev is West, whereas Moscow is East.

Looking at the map, the bulk of Russia is very much
east of Ukraine. That might be why people use the
terms "west" & "east" as they do.

I suspect the US Deep State has always done anything to isolate Russia from the rest of Europe.

Who is in the "Deep State" here?

 

[Estro Felino]

Who is in the "Deep State" here?

Definition of Deep State: whatever action that is committed behind the public's back.
In secret.
Hillary's emails demonstrates a Deep State does exist...since they were not about private matters. They were emails concerning three different continents.

 

[Revoltingest]

Definition of Deep State: whatever action that is committed behind the public's back.
In secret.
Hillary's emails demonstrates a Deep State does exist...since they were not about private matters. They were emails concerning three different continents.

The "Deep State" is a common claim here, particularly
by MAGAs. But I've not seen them offer evidence of
exactly who is doing what & when....just broad accusations.
Which Hillary emails? Is she part of it?
How do they evidence the "Deep State"?

As for Russia's isolation from Europe, it's hard to believe
that our "Deep State" conspirators could control all
European countries to that extent. A better explanation
for the isolation would be Russia's behavior.....
- Retaining a massive nuclear arsenal, one 10x the
size of the total of Eurostanian countries.
- Invasion of Crimea & Ukraine.
- Putin's assassination attempts in other countries,
eg, Navalny.
- Putin's oppression in Russia, eg, political opponents,
gays, news media.

 

[ChristineM]

The "Deep State" is a common claim here, particularly
by MAGAs. But I've not seen them offer evidence of
exactly who is doing what & when....just broad accusations.
Which Hillary emails? Is she part of it?

As for Russia's isolation from Europe, it's hard to believe
that our "Deep State" conspirators could control all
European countries to that extent. A better explanation
for the isolation would be Russia's behavior.....
- Retaining a massive nuclear arsenal, one 10x the
size of the total of Eurostanian countries.
- Invasion of Crimea & Ukraine.
- Putin's assassination attempts in other countries,
eg, Navalny.
- Putin's oppression in Russia, eg, political opponents,
gays, news media.

The last time i posted a foil hat i got a slapped hand, now i refrain even in the face if a full blown conspiracy theorist.

 

[Revoltingest]

The last time i posted a foil hat i got a slapped hand, now i refrain even in the face if a full blown conspiracy theorist.

Was it like this?

I recommend calling a conspiracy theory a "conspiracy theory".
But I avoid calling another poster a "conspiracy theorist".
That's just too personal.
The "Deep State" is indeed a conspiracy theory because it's
non-disprovable & loopy. But even posters more educated
& intelligent than I believe in them. So I try to hold my tongue.
Since The Donald is a public figure, & not a member here,
it's acceptable to show him wearing his very appropriate hat.

 

[ChristineM]

Was it like this?

Close enough but more of a designer designed fedora

 

[Estro Felino]

As for Russia's isolation from Europe, it's hard to believe
that our "Deep State" conspirators could control all
European countries to that extent.

I am sorry..this is true.
Italy is very, very, very tiny compared to a gigantic country like the United States.
We are like a little town of few people so it is impossible to keep any secret.

So yes...we have evidence that our president must be okayed by Washington DC before being elected.
It is not me who says this. It is our secret services who say it.

 

[Revoltingest]

Close enough but more of a designer designed fedora

I made an aluminum foil hat for a stuffed penguin we have.
It's shaped like a "coolie" hat.

I also made him an aluminum foil cape.
See.....I don't just waste time on RF.
I have a real life too!

 

[Martin]

The last time i posted a foil hat i got a slapped hand, now i refrain even in the face if a full blown conspiracy theorist.

I don't see how US conspiracy theories are relevant to this thread anyway.

 

[ChristineM]

I don't see how US conspiracy theories are relevant to this thread anyway.

No do i but at least one person does.

 

[Revoltingest]

I am sorry..this is true.
Italy is very, very, very tiny compared to a gigantic country like the United States.
We are like a little town of few people so it is impossible to keep any secret.

So yes...we have evidence that our president must be okayed by Washington DC before being elected.
It is not me who says this. It is our secret services who say it.

Wow....what a weak people Italians must be.
Are you concerned that we'll attack you if
you don't do our bidding?

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't see how US conspiracy theories are relevant to this thread anyway.

If one believes that our news media are hiding
the Deep State conspiracy from us, then this
is indeed a relevant challenge to our views.
Perhaps some non-Russians trust Russian
sources more than BBC, Fox, WSJ, NYT, etc?

(I like names using only 3 letters. It's efficient.)

 

[Martin]

Wow....what a weak people Italians must be.
Are you concerned that we'll attack you if
you don't do our bidding?

Probably more worried about US fast food chains.

 

[Kooky]

Definition of Deep State: whatever action that is committed behind the public's back.
In secret.

You mean, like the Putin regime bankrolling Le Pen, Salvini, AfD et al?

 

[Martin]

If one believes that our news media are hiding
the Deep State conspiracy from us, then this
is indeed a relevant challenge to our views.

This thread is about Russian media, not US media.

 

[Kooky]

Italy tells the United States: "you need to trust me, Libya used to be a colony of mine. Now it is a very wealthy country, I have worked hard with Gaddafi to make it prosperous. Gaddafi is to be trusted."

I remember. Didn't Italy and Germany jointly build a chemical weapons factory for him?

 

[Revoltingest]

Probably more worried about US fast food chains.

Perhaps Pizza Hut is a threat to Italian pizza?