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How Russian news sells the war

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Wow....what a weak people Italians must be.
Are you concerned that we'll attack you if
you don't do our bidding?

It depends. If we elect a Prime Minister who is considered too right wing by Americans...I am afraid the US will come here ...;)
The US does mind.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It depends. If we elect a Prime Minister who is considered too right wing by Americans...I am afraid the US will come here ...;)
The US does mind.
I think Italy need only worry about repeating the
reason behind the only time we invaded them, ie,
when they sided with Nazis in a war against us.
Other than that, we see you as an ally.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
It depends. If we elect a Prime Minister who is considered too right wing by Americans...I am afraid the US will come here ...;)
The US does mind.

To right wing by American standards. Wow does such a beast exist?
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
To right wing by American standards. Wow does such a beast exist?

There is a Latin expression: cui prodest?
= who benefits from that?

Who benefits from this war? Certainly not Europeans.
We should do anything to convince Putin to terminate the war immediately.

But if we keep getting him mad at us...
Well...
Maybe someone in Europe is benefitting from the war.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
There is a Latin expression: cui prodest?
= who benefits from that?

Who benefits from this war? Certainly not Europeans.
We should do anything to convince Putin to terminate the war immediately.

But if we keep getting him mad at us...
Well...
Maybe someone in Europe is benefitting from the war.
Why allude to hidden motives for war in the west,
when there are overt ones with Putin, eg, getting
Ukraine back in the Russian empire. Some of his
reasons sound sincere (unlike the claim of stopping
genocide of Russians), eg, conquest.
Excerpted...
Putin’s clearest answer yet came in a speech delivered on Monday. He believes that Ukraine is an illegitimate country that exists on land that’s historically and rightfully Russian: “Ukraine actually never had stable traditions of real statehood,” as he puts it.
Ref....
Why is Putin attacking Ukraine? He told us.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Why allude to hidden motives for war in the west,
when there are overt ones with Putin, eg, getting
Ukraine back in the Russian empire. Some of his
reasons sound sincere (unlike the claim of stopping
genocide of Russians), eg, conquest.
Excerpted...
Putin’s clearest answer yet came in a speech delivered on Monday. He believes that Ukraine is an illegitimate country that exists on land that’s historically and rightfully Russian: “Ukraine actually never had stable traditions of real statehood,” as he puts it.
Ref....
Why is Putin attacking Ukraine? He told us.


The EU and the NATO include the 90% of Eastern Europe...Baltics, Romania...Balkans.

Putin probably just wants to keep his influence on his neighbors...Belarus and Ukraine. And that's it.

If this is the compromise we need to accept for peace, let's accept it.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
The EU and the NATO include the 90% of Eastern Europe...Baltics, Romania...Balkans.

Putin probably just wants to keep his influence on his neighbors...Belarus and Ukraine. And that's it.

If this is the compromise we need ro accept for peace, let's accept it.
In the lead up to the war in Ukraine, Putin made demands of NATO to roll Eastern European membership all the way back to Germany. Clearly his desired sphere of influence extends beyond Belarus and Ukraine, and NATO provides a clear barrier there, which is one reason why the Baltic and Central European states were so eager to join NATO after 1990 in the first place.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The EU and the NATO include the 90% of Eastern Europe...Baltics, Romania...Balkans.

Putin probably just wants to keep his influence on his neighbors...Belarus and Ukraine. And that's it.

If this is the compromise we need to accept for peace, let's accept it.
We can accept it with incentives to discourage it,.
eg, economic sanctions. Without those, he'd have
tacit approval to invade other countries.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
There is a Latin expression: cui prodest?
= who benefits from that?

Who benefits from this war? Certainly not Europeans.
We should do anything to convince Putin to terminate the war immediately.

But if we keep getting him mad at us...
Well...
Maybe someone in Europe is benefitting from the war.


Putin benefits,. He wants the USSR back.
Tell that the the European people who are dying by russian weapons.
I believe the guy has lost it, he cannot be appeased, the job of taking over the Ukraine is a lot harder than he planned and as an alpha male he will not lose face.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
We can accept it with incentives to discourage it,.
eg, economic sanctions. Without those, he'd have
tacit approval to invade other countries.

The Ukrainian question has to be contextualized into an European context.

The problem is the EU. Because the EU has nothing political. It is 100% financial. Banking-like.

If it had had something political, based upon common good, Ukraine would have already entered the Union in the early 2010s.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
There were mass protests across Russia a year ago I believe, and the authorities imprisoned hundreds if not thousands of protesters? It seems some brave people are back on the streets of Moscow, Petersburg and elsewhere now. Which is not being shown at all on State TV.

Yes there has,over 2000 arrested so far,i think there would be more but the Gulag would put anyone off.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I am reading that Trump is supposedly pro-Putin. He is not.

Evidence. 2018. Prime Minister Conte asks Trump to consider lifting the sanctions on Russia.
And to readmit Russia into the G8.

Trump says no to both requests.
It is all recorded.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I am reading that Trump is supposedly pro-Putin. He is not.

Evidence. 2018. Prime Minister Conte asks Trump to consider lifting the sanctions on Russia.
And to readmit Russia into the G8.

Trump says no to both requests.
It is all recorded.

I wonder if Putin told him to say that?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
He played the role of mediator...but this shows two things by the way.
That the US decides who we are supposed to sanction.
And that Trump did not want to lift the sanctions.

Appearances can be deceptive, especially in politics
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I am reading that Trump is supposedly pro-Putin. He is not.
He does seem very pro Putin, & even pro invasion.
Trump praises ‘genius’ Putin for moving troops to eastern Ukraine
Excerpted....
Donald Trump has said that Vladimir Putin is “very savvy” and made a “genius” move by declaring two regions of eastern Ukraine as independent states and moving Russian armed forces to them.

Trump said he saw the escalation of the Ukrainian crisis on TV “and I said: ‘This is genius.’ Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine … Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful.”

The former US president said that the Russian president had made a “smart move” by sending “the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen” to the area.

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Yet in other statements, he criticized the invasion.
 
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