How Russian news sells the war

[Estro Felino]

Appearances can be deceptive, especially in politics

And this confirms the topic of the article you posted.
The Russians will not swallow anything.
I believe they will verify the information.

 

[ChristineM]

And this confirms the topic of the article you posted.
The Russians will not swallow anything.
I believe they will verify the information.

Some will, i would consider the viewers of the 2:most popular sources of news in Russia will consider it accurate

In just the same way as the american right swallow Fox and you swallow any right wing propaganda.

 

[Altfish]

Yawn.

Maybe to you.
But when a crucial vote was undermined and funded by a foreign state it is not a "yawn" moment.
It shows that the right admit what happened and just want to 'move on', nothing to see here.

BTW, I'm still waiting for you post Brexit list of benefits....
1. Blue passports
2. Trade agreement with Albania & Cameroon
3. errrr

 

[Stevicus]

I give you an example from the 21st century.

Italy tells the United States: "you need to trust me, Libya used to be a colony of mine. Now it is a very wealthy country, I have worked hard with Gaddafi to make it prosperous. Gaddafi is to be trusted."

US responds Italy: " I do not care. I am the United States...I decide because I am everything."

It is not imperialism. It is much deeper than that.
I guess it is like "the US decides something or decides a narrative, it is so and period."

Well, most Americans don't know that much about the outside world. Many can't even point out their own states on a map.

I recall that during the Tehran Conference in 1943, it seemed that almost no one in the State Department had much information on Iran. Our government knew nothing about a country where the President was going for a conference.

 

[England my lionheart]

Maybe to you.
But when a crucial vote was undermined and funded by a foreign state it is not a "yawn" moment.
It shows that the right admit what happened and just want to 'move on', nothing to see here.

BTW, I'm still waiting for you post Brexit list of benefits....
1. Blue passports
2. Trade agreement with Albania & Cameroon
3. errrr

I voted on what i believed when we were taken in by ted heath,btw i disliked him for what he did,myself and schoolfriends pelted him with eggs so no Russian ever influenced me.

 

[Estro Felino]

We can accept it with incentives to discourage it,.
eg, economic sanctions. Without those, he'd have
tacit approval to invade other countries.

If you mean to say that the United States has zero control over the European governments, it means that we have been at peace with one another throughout 75 years..for our own merits.

And this is flattering...I mean...

 

[England my lionheart]

Russian schoolchildren to learn about war's 'necessity'

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Children evacuated from the separatist Donbas region of eastern Ukraine begin lessons in VolgogradImage caption: Children evacuated from the separatist Donbas region of eastern Ukraine begin lessons in Volgograd

Russia's education ministry has announced that schoolchildren throughout the nation will be given a virtual lesson on "why the liberation mission in Ukraine is a necessity".

The broadcasted instruction will take place at 12:00 Moscow time (09:00GMT) on Thursday.

Viewers will be taught "about the danger Nato represents to our country" and "why Russia stood up for the protection of the civilians of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics".

A statement on the ministry's Facebook page said children will also learn "how to distinguish the truth from lies in the huge stream of information, photos and videos that are flooding the internet today".

 

[Altfish]

I voted on what i believed when we were taken in by ted heath,btw i disliked him for what he did,myself and schoolfriends pelted him with eggs so no Russian ever influenced me.

I didn't say you were influenced by Russians.The vote was though.

I see you are still not adding to my Brexit Benefits list.

 

[MyM]

While there are some exceptions, American media tend to be geared towards presenting a viewpoint which causes Americans to believe that we are an essential and indispensable component in world affairs. It's what appears to drive the "Captain America" complex that so many Americans seem to have these days. We constantly hear phrases and slogans like "leader of the free world," a job which most Americans never really consciously asked for or even seem to want - yet most seem to accept it as if we never really had a choice in the matter.

so so so so very true. On the face of it the American people suffer from the mistakes of the govt and literally we have no say in it...doesn't matter about free speech or freedom to do anything...we do NOT control the govt.

 

[Stevicus]

so so so so very true. On the face of it the American people suffer from the mistakes of the govt and literally we have no say in it...doesn't matter about free speech or freedom to do anything...we do NOT control the govt.

Theoretically, Americans could control the government if they bothered to get informed and think for themselves, as opposed to allowing the media to spoon feed them with endless fluff and pablum.

It's both funny and sad to hear something on the media, and then see a bunch of people repeat it verbatim, yet somehow believe that they came up with the thought on their own.

 

[Revoltingest]

If you mean to say that the United States has zero control of the European governments, it means that we have been at peace with one another throughout 75 years...for our own merits.

And this is flattering...I mean...

We certainly have influence in Europe.
But as you conclude, your peaceful relations
with each other are indeed to your credit.

 

[Estro Felino]

We certainly have influence in Europe.
But as you conclude, your peaceful relations
with each other are indeed to your credit.

Thank you then

But this Ukrainian war shows that unfortunately we have done very little to prevent wars in the East.

 

[Revoltingest]

Thank you then

But this Ukrainian war shows that unfortunately we have done very little to prevent wars in the East.

You guys have accomplished much.
But ain't nuthin perfect. Continual
vigilance & effort are necessary.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I think there is double standardism going on here.

Look, I don't approve of everything america did, ok? I have over 3000 posts. Most of them, until fairly recently, in paragraph form. You can find me dumping on america pretty severely in some of them, I didn't start writing on the internet yesterday

What I want you to do for me, please, is just describe something about Putin, or the current Russian strategy in the world, that you don't like. There must be something. No one likes another person, or a certain way of doing things, with utter totality.

And what do you the think of the concept of the 'right to protest.' It's something we have america. Do you think it is a good thing to have? (even if it can obviously be opposed, by those who don't like it)

 

[Revoltingest]

Russians do speak English and have access to English media on the internet.

I think there is double standardism going on here.
I am accused of conspiracy theorism if I say that a Deep State in the US falsifies the information.

So I guess I have the right to call the article conspiracy theories. Dont I?

Some conspiracy theories can be fully evidenced, at
which point they become conspiracies. The "Deep State"
is still in the conspiracy theory domain. But one very
real conspiracy is Putin's & Russian leadership's hiding
the existence of the war to invade & conquer Ukraine.
In Russia, it isn't called "war". It's described as liberating
Ukraine from Nazi control that is exterminating Russian
language speakers.

 

[Augustus]

19th century: Monroe says that the Americas are their own business. No European can interfere.

The Monroe Doctrine was, in practical terms, a British policy underpinned by the Royal Navy.

 

[Stevicus]

The "Deep State"
is still in the conspiracy theory domain.

I disagree. I see "Deep State" as another term for "Iron Triangles": Iron triangle (US politics) - Wikipedia

In the United States, power is exercised in the Congress, and, particularly, in congressional committees and subcommittees. By aligning itself with selected constituencies, an agency may be able to affect policy outcomes directly in these committees and subcommittees. This is where an iron triangle may manifest itself.

The image above displays the concept. At one corner of the triangle are interest groups (constituencies). These are the powerful interest groups that influence Congressional votes in their favor and can sufficiently influence the re-election of a member of Congress in return for support of their programs. At another corner sit members of Congress who also seek to align themselves with a constituency for political and electoral support. These congressional members support legislation that advances an interest group's agenda. Occupying the third corner of the triangle are bureaucrats, who often are pressured by the same powerful interest groups their agency is designated to regulate, and in some cases have close ties to the regulated industry. The result is a three-way, stable alliance that sometimes is called a "sub-government" because of its durability, impregnability, and power to determine policy.

An iron triangle relationship can result in the passing of very narrow, pork-barrel policies that benefit a small segment of the population. The interests of the agency's constituency (the interest groups) are met, while the needs of consumers (which may be the general public) are passed over.

That public administration may result in benefiting a small segment of the public in this way, may be viewed as problematic for the popular concept of democracy if the general welfare of all citizens is sacrificed for very specific interests. This is especially so if the passed legislation neglects or reverses the original purpose for which the agency was established.

Some maintain to the contrary, that such arrangements are natural outgrowths of, and not discordant with, the democratic process, since they frequently involve a majority block of voters implementing their will -- through their elected representatives in government.

On January 27, 2011, FBI Director Robert Mueller used "iron triangles" to refer to "organized criminals, corrupt government officials, and business leaders" which he said "pose a significant national security threat".[6]

 

[Revoltingest]

I love Americans...but this is what sumps up the last 3 centuries.

19th century: Monroe says that the Americas are their own business. No European can interfere.

20th century: Europe becomes USA's business. Nobody can interfere

21th century: Africa and Middle East becomes USA's business. Nobody can interfere.

Your pointing out Ameristan's historical sins raises questions....
- Is it that they justify others acting similarly now?
- Or is that they remove the right to criticize & fight the invasion now?

 

[Estro Felino]

In Russia, it isn't called "war". It's described as liberating
Ukraine from Nazi control that is exterminating Russian
language speakers.

Since there are Italian journalists who have been to Donbas and have filmed and recorded what the Russian spesking population is undergoing, it means that I trust those fellow Italians.

And I can never trust American media...because they deny the evidence.
The evidence is that Russian speaking population in Donbas has been harassed and persecuted for years.

 

[Revoltingest]

I disagree. I see "Deep State" as another term for "Iron Triangles": Iron triangle (US politics) - Wikipedia

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It's hardly a "Deep State" to describe what happens
in the complex open political process. The Deep State
is something else. It's Trump territory....
Deep state in the United States - Wikipedia
Excerpted...
The deep state in the United States is—according to a discredited conspiracy theory—a clandestine network of actors in the federal government, high-level finance and high-level industry that operates as a hidden government that exercises power alongside or within the legitimate, elected US government.[1][2][3][4][5] Claims that such a "deep state" exists are conspiracy theories.[6][7][8][9][10]

The claim that a deep state might exist has been dismissed by multiple scholars and authors.[11][12] Political scientist Joseph Uscinski points out that "the concept has always been very popular among conspiracy theorists."[13] Opinion polling from 2017 and 2018 suggests that approximately half of all Americans believe in the deep state.[14][15] Whilst in office, now-former US President Donald Trump and various officials in his administration repeatedly referenced a so-called deep state and claimed it was working against Trump and his agenda.