How Russian news sells the war

[Stevicus]

We can surmise his intentions from his statements
& actions. This is necessary in order to design the
best response.

But then it also would require attempting to look at the world through his eyes.

Like other former Soviet satellites, Ukraine has been a separate
country since 1991 (USSR's dissolution). The several decades
of independence contrast with the Confederacy's immediacy
of secession. And USA didn't dissolve, unlike USSR.

I agree that the situations are not comparable, but if we're basing our conclusions on his statements and actions, then this may be analogous to how he sees the current situation. It's not just something he's using as an excuse to grab territory just for the heck of it. I think he must really believe it.

To find Putin's motives in what predecessors wanted over
half a millennium ago seems quite a stretch. And with
Turkey being a NATO nuclear weapon sharing country,
it would be a target likely off limits, even to Putin.

It may be a stretch, although it seems doubtful that he would try to grab former Soviet satellites just because they happened to be former Soviet satellites. Besides, the only ones which are left after Ukraine are currently NATO members (except Moldova), so the same argument applies either way.

Putin seems a very strong supporter of the Russian Orthodox Church, and the fall of the Byzantine Empire has apparently been a sore subject with the Russians for centuries. That sentiment subsided somewhat during the 20th century, but Russia and Turkey have had a lot of wars with each other, including the Crimean War which involved France and Britain. Relations between Russia and Turkey have improved somewhat in recent times, although access to the Bosporus and Dardanelles has always been a vital concern to Russia, for obvious reasons.

 

[Revoltingest]

But then it also would require attempting to look at the world through his eyes.

Exactly.

I agree that the situations are not comparable, but if we're basing our conclusions on his statements and actions, then this may be analogous to how he sees the current situation. It's not just something he's using as an excuse to grab territory just for the heck
of it. I think he must really believe it.



It may be a stretch, although it seems doubtful that he would try to grab former Soviet satellites just because they happened to be former Soviet satellites. Besides, the only ones which are left after Ukraine are currently NATO members (except Moldova), so the same argument applies either way.

Putin seems a very strong supporter of the Russian Orthodox Church, and the fall of the Byzantine Empire has apparently been a sore subject with the Russians for centuries. That sentiment subsided somewhat during the 20th century, but Russia and Turkey have had a lot of wars with each other, including the Crimean War which involved France and Britain. Relations between Russia and Turkey have improved somewhat in recent times, although access to the Bosporus and Dardanelles has always been a vital concern to Russia, for obvious reasons.

OK.

 

[Estro Felino]

I think the claim that allowing Russia to join NATO would've
prevented the invasion of Ukraine is wrong. Putin views
Ukraine as part of Russia, & very strongly wanted to
re-incorporate it. So if the driving issue were really fear
of having NATO countries bordering Russia, then problems
would remain....
- Estonia, Lithuania, Turkey, Norway, & Latvia still border Russia.
- Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, & Romania would border Russia
after it re-acquired Ukraine.
- After Ukraine became Russian again, its nuclear weapons
would return to the region. This provocation would likely
inspire Norway, Finland, & Moldova to join NATO, & become
nuclear weapon sharing states.
Ref...
NATO on the Map
List of states with nuclear weapons - Wikipedia

It is well-known that Freemasons, banking dynasties control the European Union.
They are the European Deep State. That lets certain squalid characters like Soros have access to Brussels institutions.

The so called former Soviet countries are the Slavo-Catholic world, Hungary and Romania.
By making them join, the EU Deep State has ruined itself with its own hands.
It has been a suicide committed by the Deep State.
Because these European countries are very nationalist, christian-like, and they totally antagonize financial and banking élites. Orbán is considered the head of this Crusade against these unchristian forces, led by Soros.
Soros is unwanted in Hungary. Persona non grata.
European Nationalists feel empowered by the Slavo-Catholic world and by Orbán.

So...if you think that Orbán and Putin have different goals, you are mistaken.


@Revoltingest ...you have to understand that this is not about the NATO.
It is about a war between good and evil.
A Crusade against Soros and the like.

 

[Estro Felino]

This war has nothing to do with the NATO .
If you want to understand what it is all about, watch the documentary made by Tucker Carlson.
It is a European battle between Christian Civilization and evil forces.

 

[Revoltingest]

It is well-known that Freemasons, banking dynasties control the European Union.
They are the European Deep State. That lets certain squalid characters like Soros have access to Brussels institutions.

It's also well known that the Moon landings were faked.
The problem with some well known things is that they're
not cromulent, ie, belief without a cogent evidence based
argument to support.

The so called former Soviet countries are the Slavo-Catholic world, Hungary and Romania.
By making them join, the EU Deep State has ruined itself with its own hands.
It has been a suicide committed by the Deep State.
Because these European countries are very nationalist, christian-like, and they totally antagonize financial and banking élites. Orbán is considered the head of this Crusade against these unchristian forces, led by Soros.
Soros is unwanted in Hungary. Persona non grata.
European Nationalists feel empowered by the Slavo-Catholic world and by Orbán.

So...if you think that Orbán and Putin have different goals, you are mistaken.


@Revoltingest ...you have to understand that this is not about the NATO.
It is about a war between good and evil.
A Crusade against Soros and the like.

My understanding differs from yours.
Putin is not the good guy here.

 

[Estro Felino]

My understanding differs from yours.
Putin is not the good guy here.

Regardless of Putin's deeds, Soros remains an evil person.
If I became the Prime Minister of my own country, I would be against Soros NGOs in th territory.

 

[Revoltingest]

This war has nothing to do with the NATO .
If you want to understand what it is all about, watch the documentary made by Tucker Carlson.
It is a European battle between Christian Civilization and evil forces.

You'll not convince an atheist of it being a Christian
war against evil. Nay, Christianity is often behind
some of the evils I see, eg, anti-LGBT rights. If any
actor in this mess is evil, I'd say it's root'n toot'n Putin.

 

[ChristineM]

Regardless of Putin's deeds, Soros remains an evil person.
If I became the Prime Minister of my own country, I would ban Soros and his Sorosian NGOs from my territory. As Orbán did.

Being an European, I know in detail what's going on here.

Soros is not bombing the Ukraine and he is not lying about it to russian people which is what this thread is about. It is not about your personal aluminium foil hat hatreds

 

[ChristineM]

When I see the US siding with a Middle East country that executes gays and atheists...supporting it against Yemen...I see that the US is not that coherent, in its pro-minorities battles.
It is not that credible.

Not to mention that the US made Turkey join the NATO, and it is certainly not first place as for minorities' rights.

Wtf has this to do with the OP?

 

[Estro Felino]

Wtf has this to do with the OP?

I was saying that Soros NGOs do manipulate the media in Europe.
So it is not Russian media only.

 

[ChristineM]

I was saying that Soros NGOs do manipulate the media in Europe.

Russian media? I think not. Would you mind dismounting from your political hobby horse and discuss the matter in hand?

 

[Revoltingest]

Regardless of Putin's deeds, Soros remains an evil person.
If I became the Prime Minister of my own country, I would ban Soros and his Sorosian NGOs from my territory. As Orbán did.

Being an European, I know in detail what's going on here.

I searched for some info about him.
I found....
Who is George Soros and why is he blamed in so many right-wing conspiracy theories?
I'm not a fan, but neither am I worried.

 

[Revoltingest]

Soros is not bombing the Ukraine and he is not lying about it to russian people which is what this thread is about. It is not about your personal aluminium foil hat hatreds

Remember....don't post pix.

 

[ChristineM]

Remember....don't post pix.

I remembered. Very restrained of me don't you think?

 

[Revoltingest]

I remembered. Very restrained of me don't you think?

I imagine this video with "Soros" replacing "Satan".

 

[Estro Felino]

Russian media? I think not. Would you mind dismounting from your political hobby horse and discuss the matter in hand?

But I do admit that the freedom of press in Russia is not exactly like that of EU countries.
It is an article I take into consideration.

But that does not mean that we in Europe do not have a similar problem with social media (news media) controlled either directly or indirectly by Soros.

 

[Estro Felino]

Soros is not bombing the Ukraine and he is not lying about it to russian people which is what this thread is about. It is not about your personal aluminium foil hat hatreds

Nikolai Lilin wrote a book. Title: Putin. The last Czar
You have to understand the psychology of czars like Elizabeth of Russia or Catherine the Great, to study Putin's mind.
They were absolute defenders of the Russian Volksgeist. Against two threats: the imperialism of Prussia and the hostility of the Turkish Empire.
And Catherine the Great was 100% German. Not a trace of Russian blood in her veins.

So my point is: the Russia media all celebrate this mythical past of the Holy Russia.
That comprehends both Kiev and Moscow.

 

[ChristineM]

But I do admit that the freedom of press in Russia is not exactly like that of EU countries.
It is an article I take into consideration.

But that does not mean that we in Europe do not have a similar problem with social media (news media) controlled either directly or indirectly by Soros.

Not exactly? My source was the BBC, although I don't like their political leanings i will always give them credit for FACT checking their news. After getting embarrassingly caught out about 7 years ago they are sticklers to FACT checking before publication. No soros involved

And why such a downer on philanthropy?

 

[ChristineM]

Nikolai Lilin wrote a book. Title: Putin. The last Czar
You have to understand the psychology of czars like Elizabeth of Russia or Catherine the Great, to study Putin's mind.
They were absolute defenders of the Russian Volksgeist. Against two threats: the imperialism of Prussia and the hostility of the Turkish Empire.
And Catherine the Great was 100% German. Not a trace of Russian blood in her veins.

So my point is: the Russia media all celebrate this mythical past of the Holy Russia.
That comprehends both Kiev and Moscow.

No i don't have to understand a more than 100 year old clique, i have to understand that people are being killed in what is essentially a land grab. Now you may like making excuses for unwarranted invasion, feel free to lick whatever boots turns you on, don't expect me to welcome a psycho with open arms

 

[Estro Felino]

And why such a downer on philanthropy?

Soros is a wanted person for financial crimes in Malaysia and persona non grata in other countries.
So...quite the opposite of "philanthropist". He is a person who destroys common people's lives. And economies.


And he certainly controls information too.