How Russian news sells the war

[Stevicus]

Evidence?
What I hear here is that Putin is bent on expansion.
But this doesn't mean conquering the world. That
would not be possible, given the MAD relationship
with USA, & also with China as it strives for parity.

In this case, I claim greater authority in conspiracy
theories that my fellow Ameristanians believe.
There are indeed many, but that isn't one of them.

Some of the perceptions of Russia which were fostered during the Cold War were somewhat out there. Like the idea that the Beatles were a Soviet plot.

 

[Revoltingest]

Some of the perceptions of Russia which were fostered during the Cold War were somewhat out there. Like the idea that the Beatles were a Soviet plot.

That's one I hadn't heard.

Do you think Putin's expansionism
is also a conspiracy theory?

 

[Stevicus]

That's one I hadn't heard.

Do you think Putin's expansionism
is also a conspiracy theory?

I think he has this historical perception that Great Russians, White Russians, and Little Russians originated from the same root stock and culture. It seems a nationalistic viewpoint, loosely based in the underpinnings of the old Russian Empire. That doesn't need to be a conspiracy theory, and I share the world's disgust with malignant nationalism and its practitioners.

However, I'm not sure if this mentality would apply to the non-Russian, non-Slavic, and/or non-Orthodox nations which used to be part of the Russian Empire or Soviet Union. A lot of people are assuming that he wants to grab the Baltics and strongly associating his actions with that of the USSR. He may have grown up in the USSR and worked in the KGB, but his actions and rhetoric would indicate a deeper, more ancient love of Mother Russia, not Marxism-Leninism. He's not a communist. He's not Soviet. He may have been in the past, but he's obviously not anymore. Even the Communist Party in Russia has opposed him on this issue.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think he has this historical perception that Great Russians, White Russians, and Little Russians originated from the same root stock and culture. It seems a nationalistic viewpoint, loosely based in the underpinnings of the old Russian Empire. That doesn't need to be a conspiracy theory, and I share the world's disgust with malignant nationalism and its practitioners.

However, I'm not sure if this mentality would apply to the non-Russian, non-Slavic, and/or non-Orthodox nations which used to be part of the Russian Empire or Soviet Union. A lot of people are assuming that he wants to grab the Baltics and strongly associating his actions with that of the USSR. He may have grown up in the USSR and worked in the KGB, but his actions and rhetoric would indicate a deeper, more ancient love of Mother Russia, not Marxism-Leninism. He's not a communist. He's not Soviet. He may have been in the past, but he's obviously not anymore. Even the Communist Party in Russia has opposed him on this issue.

Do you think there's any or no possibility he might want
to re-acquire former Soviet satellite countries?

 

[Stevicus]

Do you there's any or no possibility he might want
to re-acquire former Soviet satellite countries?

I don't see how he could, not without a major fight. Strategically, it wouldn't really do them much good anyway. One thing that's always been within Russia's sights is the Bosporus and Dardanelles - the outlet from the Black Sea to the Mediterranean. Turkey seems to be straddling the fence in regards to Russia.

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't see how he could, not without a major fight. Strategically, it wouldn't really do them much good anyway. One thing that's always been within Russia's sights is the Bosporus and Dardanelles - the outlet from the Black Sea to the Mediterranean. Turkey seems to be straddling the fence in regards to Russia.

I really wish Putin conquered Italy someday. To have access to the Mediterranean.
Really. I really wish he did.
He will not.
He does not care about us.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't see how he could, not without a major fight.

It appears that he's willing to engage in one.
That is what we should discourage.

Strategically, it wouldn't really do them much good anyway. One thing that's always been within Russia's sights is the Bosporus and Dardanelles - the outlet from the Black Sea to the Mediterranean. Turkey seems to be straddling the fence in regards to Russia.

As long as it doesn't prevent free travel to Russia,
Turkey seems likely safe, having not been a USSR
satellite.

 

[Estro Felino]

Evidence?
What I hear here is that Putin is bent on expansion.
But this doesn't mean conquering the world. That
would not be possible, given the MAD relationship
with USA, & also with China as it strives for parity.

In this case, I claim greater authority in conspiracy
theories that my fellow Ameristanians believe.
There are indeed many, but that isn't one of them.

I deeply respect and value your opinion.

But my opinions are worth respecting and are valuable too.
1) I believe the American Deep State has been trying to isolate Russia from Europe for 20 years
2) I believe that the US is hungry for the infinite resources Russia possesses. And the US wishes to conquer Siberia to get them.
3) I believe the US Deep State has been using Ukraine as a pawn to get to Russia.

These three explain why

1) US excluded Russia from NATO
2) US excluded Russia from G8

 

[Revoltingest]

I deeply respect and value your opinion.

But my opinions are worth respecting and are valuable too.
1) I believe the American Deep State has been trying to isolate Russia from Europe for 20 years
2) I believe that the US is hungry for the infinite resources Russia possesses. And the US wishes to conquer Siberia to get them.
3) I believe the US Deep State has been using Ukraine as a pawn to get to Russia.

These three explain why

1) US excluded Russia from NATO
2) US excluded Russia from G8

With both USA & Russia having thousands of nuclear
weapons, if one tried to conquer the other, there wouldn't
be enuf useable assets left to justify the costs.
This is so obvious that even our dumbest leaders
would know better.
BTW, if we really intended conquering countries for
profit, we'd never have been in all these wars where
we get nothing but grief.
You need more plausible conspiracy theories.

 

[Estro Felino]

With both USA & Russia having thousands of nuclear
weapons, if one tried to conquer the other, there wouldn't
be enuf useable assets left to justify the costs.
This is so obvious that even our dumbest leaders
would know better.
BTW, if we really intended conquering countries for
profit, we'd never have been in all these wars where
we get nothing but grief.
You need more plausible conspiracy theories.

Well...having Italy as ally since 1945 give you guys the full control of the Mediterranean.
And by the way...I am not speaking of the average American. I am speaking of financial élites who are greedy for resources all the time. Who wouldnt mind possessing the Russian gas.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well...having Italy as ally since 1945 give you guys the full control of the Mediterranean.
And by the way...I am not speaking of the average American. I am speaking of financial élites who are greedy for resources all the time. Who wouldnt mind possessing the Russian gas.

How would the "financial elites" take over Siberia?
We got lucky with Alaska, but I don't think Russia
will have another such fire sale.

 

[Estro Felino]

How would the "financial elites" take over Siberia?
We got lucky with Alaska, but I don't think Russia
will have another such fire sale.

I think the Crimean issue was just a blatant pretext to exclude Russia from G8.
And to sanction her.
And that was suspicious.

Since referendums and annexations happen all the time in Europe and nobody cares.

 

[Martin]

Do you there's any or no possibility he might want
to re-acquire former Soviet satellite countries?

He's already said he wants NATO out of countries on Russia's western flank. He clearly hasn't accepted the collapse of the Soviet empire.

 

[Revoltingest]

He's already said he wants NATO out of countries on Russia's western flank. He clearly hasn't accepted the collapse of the Soviet empire.

BTW, I fixed my post.
There was a missing word.

 

[Estro Felino]

He's already said he wants NATO out of countries on Russia's western flank. He clearly hasn't accepted the collapse of the Soviet empire.

This is a good point.
But maybe if we had done anything to let Russia join the NATO, none of this would have happened.

 

[Estro Felino]

I want no war, guys.
We are welcoming Ukrainian refugees.
Ukrainian girl arrives in Milan and delivers a baby.

 

[Martin]

This is a good point.
But maybe if we had done anything to let Russia join the NATO, none of this would have happened.

Putin wanting to join NATO, who he portrays as the enemy at the gates? Hardly. Putin sounds like he's prepared to take on NATO, and has threatened the use of nuclear weapons.

 

[Estro Felino]

Putin wanting to join NATO, who he portrays as the enemy at the gates? Hardly. Putin sounds like he's prepared to take on NATO, and has threatened the use of nuclear weapons.

Putin asked to join the NATO many years ago.
Of course not as a vassal member as my country is.
But considering that Russia is the largest country in the world, as an equal partner to the US.
They refused.
So .... those who refused are at fault.

 

[Martin]

Putin asked to join the NATO many years ago.
Of course not as a vassal member as my country is.
But considering that Russia is the largest country in the world, as an equal partner to the US.
They refused.
So .... those who refused are at fault.

When exactly did Putin ask to join NATO, and what were the circumstances?

 

[Revoltingest]

Putin wanting to join NATO, who he portrays as the enemy at the gates? Hardly. Putin sounds like he's prepared to take on NATO, and has threatened the use of nuclear weapons.

Given Putin's conditions imposed upon NATO when considering
joining, & his subsequent opposition to NGOs advocating for
democracy, I doubt that Russia would've remained in NATO.
The relationship would've certainly evaporated upon invasion
of Crimea. That ended previous cooperation between NATO
& Russia.