How Should I Keep the Sabbath?

[lostwanderingsoul]

There are many god and goddesses because man invented them. And they invented them because they did not know or trust the true God of the universe who made everything and everyone and then gave them the freedom to believe or not believe. It is not God's shortcomong but Man's. Again, men are always looking for ways to say God does not mean what He says or excuses why they do not have to obey His rules. I cannot think of a single one of the 10 commandments that would cause a problem if everyone obeyed it. No killing, no theft,no lying, etc. But people can choose and that is where all the problems start. God could force everyone to obey if He wanted to but He is showing that when people try to get along without Him it leads to problems.

 

[cambridge79]

I think a bigger question is WHEN do you keep the Sabbath? God said that the seventh day is holy because He rested from His work of creation. Most churches say that the new Sabbath is Sunday because Christ rose from the dead on Sunday. Why would something Christ did change something God said thousands of years before? First decide what day you should be keeping and then you can decide how to keep it. The commandment just says to REMEMBER the Sabbath. It does not say what work you can or cannot do. But if you are remembering the wrong day then you are breaking the commandment.

Is that actually that important? I mean names is something we give to the days, why one should care if he rests on Wednesday or on Saturday, shouldn't just one day every seven do?

On a funny note, what should a jew at the north pole do? Days there last six months, should he rest six months every three years [emoji1]

And what about a jew on a plane on an intercontinental flight?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

There are many god and goddesses because man invented them. And they invented them because they did not know or trust the true God of the universe who made everything and everyone and then gave them the freedom to believe or not believe. It is not God's shortcomong but Man's. Again, men are always looking for ways to say God does not mean what He says or excuses why they do not have to obey His rules. I cannot think of a single one of the 10 commandments that would cause a problem if everyone obeyed it. No killing, no theft,no lying, etc. But people can choose and that is where all the problems start. God could force everyone to obey if He wanted to but He is showing that when people try to get along without Him it leads to problems.

The thing is, the god of abraham, through how i see reality, is no different than any other god. No one is special.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Seems pretty simple. God makes the seventh day holy. God issues a commandment to keep the sabbath. Mankind tries to find ways to say it means something else. Man is always looking for excuses to avoid what God says.

Not every country sees the days of the week like Europeans and Americans. If god said sat here and sat in Iran rest on a different hemisphere (say 24 hours later) which is right?

Does god go by EST? (No pun). Leap year? Those influence the days too. We have daylight savings. Some times the days come shorter in the year while other times, days are longer. (Day being where earth is turned in relation to the sun rather than the name Sat vs Sun). Its not the day, it just means God rested after X amount of time.

Sabbath is spending personal time with your Lord.

I mean, I see christians argue about traditions but then have reservations on which day to spend time with god. The celebration of the Sabbath is a tradition.

Dont get it.

 

[psychoslice]

I feel that the Sabbath is not found in rituals, even though that is how it was once, I feel that when we are truly One with God, the Sabbath then is just, being One in God, this is the rest that we obtain after keeping the Sabbath as a law. The true Sabbath isn't found in a law, its found in our heart, that place within that no law can ever replace, laws are only for those who are still under it, not for those who because of love and becoming One with God, for this is the only reason for so called religion. If we go on and on just keeping the Sabbath just to please God, then we are doing it all for the wrong reason, we must come boldly to the thorn of God and look him right in the eye's, not crawling on our hands and knees, no!!, we must take our true position and set at the right hand of God, until we do that, we will continue being a puppet, controlled by religion and its rituals.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I feel that the Sabbath is not found in rituals, even though that is how it was once, I feel that when we are truly One with God, the Sabbath then is just, being One in God, this is the rest that we obtain after keeping the Sabbath as a law. The true Sabbath isn't found in a law, its found in our heart, that place within that no law can ever replace, laws are only for those who are still under it, not for those who because of love and becoming One with God, for this is the only reason for so called religion. If we go on and on just keeping the Sabbath just to please God, then we are doing it all for the wrong reason, we must come boldly to the thorn of God and look him right in the eye's, not crawling on our hands and knees, no!!, we must take our true position and set at the right hand of God, until we do that, we will continue being a puppet, controlled by religion and its rituals.

It is from the heart. Rituals and religions are from the heart. If not, we'd just be siting on our cushions forgeting to live ones faith not just believe it.

 

[psychoslice]

It is from the heart. Rituals and religions are from the heart. If not, we'd just be siting on our cushions forgeting to live ones faith not just believe it.

Sorry, when I say heart I am talking about our inner heart, not our pumping heart, this inner heart is our true inner Being, our true inner Self. Many have said that they love whoever with all their heart, and not long after they are enemies, no, this is not the true heart.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Sorry, when I say heart I am talking about our inner heart, not our pumping heart, this inner heart is our true inner Being, our true inner Self. Many have said that they love whoever with all their heart, and not long after they are enemies, no, this is not the true heart.

Thats what I mean. Religion and rituals come from our inner heart, true being, our true Self.

 

[psychoslice]

Thats what I mean. Religion and rituals come from our inner heart, true being, our true Self.

Yes but most times not from organized religion, that is religion that is second hand and not from within, organized religion can be a great stepping stone, but to camp their is to never grow beyond the second hand message. Religion can be like a thorn that we use to dig out a thorn, when we dig out the thorn, we then throw both away, they are no longer needed.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yes but most times not from organized religion, that is religion that is second hand and not from within, organized religion can be a great stepping stone, but to camp their is to never grow beyond the second hand message. Religion can be like a thorn that we use to dig out a thorn, when we dig out the thorn, we then throw both away, they are no longer needed.

I can see that. I disagree that organized religions as a whole are only steping stones to true self. Some find their inner self in organized religions and others dont. Would it be off to say that organized religions Cant lead people to their true self and they can without needing to be stepping stones?

 

[psychoslice]

I can see that. I disagree that organized religions as a whole are only steping stones to true self. Some find their inner self in organized religions and others dont. Would it be off to say that organized religions Cant lead people to their true self and they can without needing to be stepping stones?

Yes that maybe so, but I can only share my own truth, and I respect yours also.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yes that maybe so, but I can only share my own truth, and I respect yours also.

Cool I do hold the highest truth you know.

 

[psychoslice]

Cool I do hold the highest truth you know.

Yes I believe you do my friend.

The word “religion” comes from religio. Religio has a beauty of its own, which is lost in “religion.” Religio means an existential, an experiential phenomenon. The very word means coming to a point where you are one – one with yourself, one with existence. Religion which comes from the same root does not have that meaning. It, on the contrary, makes you split. Making you one is not its work; its work is to make you schizophrenic, to put you into a split state, to put you against your own body, to put you against your own sex, to put you against yourself; to divide you into parts, fragments, and create an inner conflict in you. ?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yes I believe you do my friend.

The word “religion” comes from religio. Religio has a beauty of its own, which is lost in “religion.” Religio means an existential, an experiential phenomenon. The very word means coming to a point where you are one – one with yourself, one with existence. Religion which comes from the same root does not have that meaning. It, on the contrary, makes you split. Making you one is not its work; its work is to make you schizophrenic, to put you into a split state, to put you against your own body, to put you against your own sex, to put you against yourself; to divide you into parts, fragments, and create an inner conflict in you. ?

Woah. I never experienced that in any of the two organized religions I was in. I mean, some of the people where demanding. A few of the beliefs didnt mirror the founders who created or started the faith. That didnt change my communion with the people in Christ and the sacraments. It certainly does not break up my communion with other SGI members to the Gohonzon though I dont care for the organizational goals etc.

When I "do" rather than just think with my heart, my spells and rituals, the movement in those rituals Are my heart. Those pagan prayers are a part of me.

Thats how religion and rituals are supposed to be: our life.

Just because its organized, politically, um, messed up, and misinterpreted by the authorities that govern it, doesnt make the individual people less in touch with their inner self when they are in communion within whatever religion they follow.

Wrap up.

Yeah. Some organized religions are pretty political. People get wraped up in the politics. Others had bad experiences in it.

Thats not religion. Thats, um, a Bs Degree. Dont let cliff notes throw you off. Take the test by studying yourself and experience. The As come from hard work and experience. Sometimes those Fs come from cheating.

 

[psychoslice]

Woah. I never experienced that in any of the two organized religions I was in. I mean, some of the people where demanding. A few of the beliefs didnt mirror the founders who created or started the faith. That didnt change my communion with the people in Christ and the sacraments. It certainly does not break up my communion with other SGI members to the Gohonzon though I dont care for the organizational goals etc.

When I "do" rather than just think with my heart, my spells and rituals, the movement in those rituals Are my heart. Those pagan prayers are a part of me.

Thats how religion and rituals are supposed to be: our life.

Just because its organized, politically, um, messed up, and misinterpreted by the authorities that govern it, doesnt make the individual people less in touch with their inner self when they are in communion within whatever religion they follow.

Wrap up.

Yeah. Some organized religions are pretty political. People get wraped up in the politics. Others had bad experiences in it.

Thats not religion. Thats, um, a Bs Degree. Dont let cliff notes throw you off. Take the test by studying yourself and experience. The As come from hard work and experience. Sometimes those Fs come from cheating.

Yes I can see what your saying, and in the end who the hell is right or wrong, is there such thing as right or wrong, who knows and who cares lol.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

@psychoslice

Taking religion out for a moment. Example.

Think of ice skating in the Olympics or ballet. The skaters arent standing still and thinking "I am skating. Its in my heart. I can feel it. Im one with the music." No. They get up and put on their skates (or dancing shoes) and the music becomes them and they the music. Their movement, their rituals, are part of themselves. Their act is not just their knowledge. Its in the actions as well.

Those actions are rituals.

If you have seen the Olymics, think of it as organized religion. You have more than a hand fulk of skaters and they are all part of this organization, we will say, so they can be in the contest. Those who have passion for skating in their inner heart wouldnt see the Olympics as bad. You have pushy people. A lot of discipline. Thats part of the sport. If they are doing it because it makes their inner soul shine, who am I to say they are wrong.

I love rollar skating. I go every sunday night. I dont stand still when I skate, I move. Thats ritual. Its religious cause I go every sun. Its organized because there are set rules we go by there. Do I care? No. Cause skating makes me, me. Its more than a hobby.

Kinda understand at the very least?

 

[psychoslice]

Religion is something like marriage: unnatural, arbitrary, artificial, created by social convenience.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yes I can see what your saying, and in the end who the hell is right or wrong, is there such thing as right or wrong, who knows and who cares lol.

Lol Rats I saw this right after I hit submit on the other post. But to answer, I have no clue. As long as everyone is respectful, its cool.

 

[psychoslice]

@psychoslice

Taking religion out for a moment. Example.

Think of ice skating in the Olympics or ballet. The skaters arent standing still and thinking "I am skating. Its in my heart. I can feel it. Im one with the music." No. They get up and put on their skates (or dancing shoes) and the music becomes them and they the music. Their movement, their rituals, are part of themselves. Their act is not just their knowledge. Its in the actions as well.

Those actions are rituals.

If you have seen the Olymics, think of it as organized religion. You have more than a hand fulk of skaters and they are all part of this organization, we will say, so they can be in the contest. Those who have passion for skating in their inner heart wouldnt see the Olympics as bad. You have pushy people. A lot of discipline. Thats part of the sport. If they are doing it because it makes their inner soul shine, who am I to say they are wrong.

I love rollar skating. I go every sunday night. I dont stand still when I skate, I move. Thats ritual. Its religious cause I go every sun. Its organized because there are set rules we go by there. Do I care? No. Cause skating makes me, me. Its more than a hobby.

Kinda understand at the very least?

Yes and I agree, this is how it should be, you yourself have discovered this, but that doesn't mean everyone else has, if this was true we would be living in a totally different world, this dance is a good metaphor, we are the dance, we are not the dancer, but the dance, this is true religion, not false religion.

 

[psychoslice]

Lol Rats I saw this right after I hit submit on the other post. But to answer, I have no clue. As long as everyone is respectful, its cool.

Yes it would be nice if that was true.