How Should I Keep the Sabbath?

[Unveiled Artist]

Yes and I agree, this is how it should be, you yourself have discovered this, but that doesn't mean everyone else has, if this was true we would be living in a totally different world, this dance is a good metaphor, we are the dance, we are not the dancer, but the dance, this is true religion, not false religion.

Unfortunetly true. I wouldnt generalize, though. Im sure there are others who see it the same way. They just prefer structure and communion.

Cant use Olympics as a whole to define each skater participating in it. Each person has their own connection. Some for money. Some for the sport. Some for the passion.

Id give humanity the benefit of the doubt?

 

[psychoslice]

Unfortunetly true. I wouldnt generalize, though. Im sure there are others who see it the same way. They just prefer structure and communion.

Cant use Olympics as a whole to define each skater participating in it. Each person has their own connection. Some for money. Some for the sport. Some for the passion.

Id give humanity the benefit of the doubt?

Yes and I hope you are right...........and I do like your way of thinking.

 

[rosends]

On a funny note, what should a jew at the north pole do? Days there last six months, should he rest six months every three years [emoji1]

http://www.star-k.org/articles/articles/travel/515/when-does-one-pray-when-there-is-no-day/

And what about a jew on a plane on an intercontinental flight?

Many implications. Here is one discussion:
http://judaism.stackexchange.com/qu...lowed-to-fly-from-australia-on-motzei-shabbos

 

[Unveiled Artist]

http://www.star-k.org/articles/articles/travel/515/when-does-one-pray-when-there-is-no-day/

Many implications. Here is one discussion:
http://judaism.stackexchange.com/qu...lowed-to-fly-from-australia-on-motzei-shabbos

Can any believer celebration of the Sabbath when the sun doesnt rise or fall during certain periods in specific areas? Or is the Sabbah not based on the day but rather spending time with the Lord?

 

[rosends]

Can any believer celebration of the Sabbath when the sun doesnt rise or fall during certain periods in specific areas? Or is the Sabbah not based on the day but rather spending time with the Lord?

It is based in a number of things that apply in particular situations. Responsa exist to deal with non-standard situations. Primarily, it is based in a particular day. We "spend time with the Lord" every day.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yes and I hope you are right...........and I do like your way of thinking.

Thank you. I figure since we talk about humanity, we are talking about ourselves too. If I find my inner self in organized religion, whst makes me think

It is based in a number of things that apply in particular situations. Responsa exist to deal with non-standard situations. Primarily, it is based in a particular day. We "spend time with the Lord" every day.

I see. Id say the Sabbath is spending time with the lord. If its a command to worship on Sat rather than Sun, I wonder how a christian would reconcile that if they lived near the north pole.

Nice article, by the way.

 

[rosends]

I see. Id say the Sabbath is spending time with the lord. If its a command to worship on Sat rather than Sun, I wonder how a christian would reconcile that if they lived near the north pole.

What you say is a major difference. In Judaism, we have the command to worship (at least) 3 times a day, and more on the sabbath and holidays. so if one equates "spending time" with "worship" then it is a frequent event, not one reserved for 1 day.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

What you say is a major difference. In Judaism, we have the command to worship (at least) 3 times a day, and more on the sabbath and holidays. so if one equates "spending time" with "worship" then it is a frequent event, not one reserved for 1 day.

From a Jewish perspective, I cant say youre wrong. Many christians dont celebrate the Sabbath and those that do cebrate it once a week. Whether its on a Sat or Sun (as so determined by the church and "changed" by protestants) shouldnt matter if one is taking time out of his day of the week to worship god.

I understand celebrating on a certain day is tradition. I celebrate new and full moon as much as I can. If not on that day it would be the next. If I forget to celebrate it, that doesnt mean my intent etc is void. I know traditions go hand in hand with belief. Yet, I feel some christians are missing the point behind these traditions. Hence why many dont do it.

 

[Mr. Beebe]

Whether its on a Sat or Sun (as so determined by the church and "changed" by protestants) shouldnt matter if one is taking time out of his day of the week to worship god.

It was the Papacy that changed the Sabbath. Protestants didn't change the Sabbath,, The Catholic church is the Mother of Harlots mentioned in Revelation 17:5. Her Daughters are the Protestant churches that keep her mandate to observe Sunday. They are just estanged from their Mother. But, we seen the Pope go on an apology tour and is now repairing all the damage that the Church of Rome did in the dark ages. "And all the world wondered after the beast" Revelation 13:3.

Soon,, Sunday observance will be enforced, first, in the USA, then, the whole world. It's called: The Mark of the Beast!

 

[metis]

It was the Papacy that changed the Sabbath. Protestants didn't change the Sabbath,, The Catholic church is the Mother of Harlots mentioned in Revelation 17:5. Her Daughters are the Protestant churches that keep her mandate to observe Sunday. They are just estanged from their Mother. But, we seen the Pope go on an apology tour and is now repairing all the damage that the Church of Rome did in the dark ages. "And all the world wondered after the beast" Revelation 13:3.

Soon,, Sunday observance will be enforced, first, in the USA, then, the whole world. It's called: The Mark of the Beast!

Most Protestant denominations observe Sunday as their day of observance.

Secondly, unless one is willing to observe the entire Law, all 613 of them, then it really makes not one iota of difference why one supposedly needs to observe Shabbat. It's essentially a package deal, so picking and choosing which of the Laws to follow makes literally no sense if one views any of them in a binding manner. Gentiles are simply not required to observe the Law, but they can as an option if they so desire.

You keep harping on the same thing, and that same thing makes not one iota of sense.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It was the Papacy that changed the Sabbath. Protestants didn't change the Sabbath,, The Catholic church is the Mother of Harlots mentioned in Revelation 17:5. Her Daughters are the Protestant churches that keep her mandate to observe Sunday. They are just estanged from their Mother. But, we seen the Pope go on an apology tour and is now repairing all the damage that the Church of Rome did in the dark ages. "And all the world wondered after the beast" Revelation 13:3.
Soon,, Sunday observance will be enforced, first, in the USA, then, the whole world. It's called: The Mark of the Beast!

1. Please read this in full. I'm trying to get you to understand what I am saying. I am not trying to disprove you.
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3. Please separate scripture from your comments. I don't care to debate scripture because one, I use it for knowldge, and two, I find it disrepectful. I would never use the Lotus Sutra to debate to others who disbelieve it that they are wrong. That's using what I hold sacred as a sword.
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5. The celebration of the Sabbath: Taking time out (as a group or alone) to spend time with your Lord. If that is the Mark of the Beast, then... well...
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7. Skim up and read post #63. Rosends posted some interesting information.

In the North and South poles in either side, the sun doesn't rise or set for months at a time. That makes the 24 hour period we have today pretty useless up and down there. Then you have day light's savings.The longest and shortest days of the year. And so on.

That kind of messes up the Saturday and Sunday thing.

Question: Let me ask. Do you look at the time when you find it acceptable to take time out with God? If it's supposed to be on a Sunday, but we had day light savings or at the poles and Sunday came earlier than we thought or never came at all! does god take that into consideration?

God rested at a certain period of time. We just so happen to mark the days and they weren't marked when god created the world. There was no Gregorian calender then.

You're looking at days and history. I'm looking at your relationship and celebration with your god.

Question: How does the days/hours (or when the sun hits the side of the eart) influence your worship with your Lord? How does god or you reconcile the differences according to how the earth revolves around the sun?

Sabbath is about your celebration and worship with your Lord not a specific day of the week. If you don't want to spend special time with your Lord for a certain period or day, that is up to you. The verses I posted above tells Christians don't judge others in general as well as don't judge others if a Christian wants to eat this food and not another. If he wants to celebrate on this day and not the other.

It's not about you.

The commands god gives for you to worship on a specific day has nothing to do with the gregorian calender. If you read it without having cultural and national time frames, maybe you would see what god is actually saying within those commandments.

 

[Mr. Beebe]

Secondly, unless one is willing to observe the entire Law, all 613 of them, then it really makes not one iota of difference why one supposedly needs to observe Shabbat. It's essentially a package deal, so picking and choosing which of the Laws to follow makes literally no sense if one views any of them in a binding manner. Gentiles are simply not required to observe the Law, but they can as an option if they so desire.

Your post was made in ignorance. You are basically saying that the "Gentile" as well as the "Jew" can sin as they please that there is no law to guide any of us. Ignorant theology. Especially, when the Book of Revelations says of the Saints: "..here are those who keep the Commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus." Revelation 12:17. And again in Revelation 14:12 " Here are those who keep the Commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus.".... And yet again we are told in Revelation 22:14 "Blessed are they that do His Commandments that they may have the right to the tree of life..." So,, you are surely not properly dividing the word of truth. In fact, you are ignoring the scriptures.

Most Protestant denominations observe Sunday as their day of observance.

I said that. It's called Apostate Protestantism. Those churches that observe Sunday are the Daughters of the Mother Harlot (The Church of Rome).

 

[Mr. Beebe]

You're looking at days and history. I'm looking at your relationship and celebration with your god.

I'm telling you, that you too, are going to be involved in the great drama that is about to play out right here on the earth. So,, you can go ahead and do and believe as you desire. But you will soon be honoring Sunday in accordance with the Mark of the Beast.

So,, if you think you are going to be ignoring the great test that is about to test all who dwell on the earth,, you are in for a big surprise......You will either come to the knowledge of the truth and honor God and be in trouble with man. Or,,, you will honor the Mandate to observe Sunday,, and receive the Plagues and eternal death. All who are alive will have to choose to Keep the Commandments of God or the Commandments of men.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I'm telling you, that you too, are going to be involved in the great drama that is about to play out right here on the earth. So,, you can go ahead and do and believe as you desire. But you will soon be honoring Sunday in accordance with the Mark of the Beast.

So,, if you think you are going to be ignoring the great test that is about to test all who dwell on the earth,, you are in for a big surprise......You will either come to the knowledge of the truth and honor God and be in trouble with man. Or,,, you will honor the Mandate to observe Sunday,, and receive the Plagues and eternal death. All who are alive will have to choose to Keep the Commandments of God or the Commandments of men.

Can we address the questions and not my "eternal damnation" please?

I'm serious. If celebrating on a Saturday, we'll say, is better than a Sunday, how does god and some denominations reconcile that if they were at the north and south poles?

In day light savings, we change the times not the earth. We designate when Satuday starts and Sunday begins during the choice of creating spring back/leap forward times of the year. Some countries don't even acknowledge day lights savings.

That doesn't change that the earth still revolves around the sun and when the light hits what side of the earth.

So, I ask again, if god commanded you celebrate the Sabbath on a Saturday how do you reconcile that when your day will be off by a couple of hours during day lights savings?

How do you reocncile that when the sun doesn't rise or fall for months at a time in two parts of the earth?

Is the day more important or is your worship with your Lord more important? Why judge people on what day they worship, etc. Those verses do not just apply to the people in the Bible, they apply to all Christians.

Do you understand what I am saying?

 

[Mr. Beebe]

Do you understand what I am saying?

Yes, I understand your question. I had the same question. And I would tell you, even if you are in a zone where the sun doesn't set completely and sink behind the earth,,,it still sinks and rises several degrees,,,and we can all be aware of the time of day. Daylight savings has nothing to do with the rotation of the earth. I don't understand why you would even bring that up. Man cannot change when the sun sets or rises.

Everybody is going to hear the truth of God's 7th day Sabbath,, just as you are. When all have heard the truth of God's Sabbath,,, the false Sunday sabbath will become the law of the land. And everybody is going to have to choose between God's Sabbath & Satan's counterfiet.

I've already told you why we are to keep the Sabbath. You rejected all the reasons I gave. Your claim was that Love doesn't involve keeping Commandments. So,, no sense going thru that field again,, right?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

@Mr. Beebe

Ima try to wrap it up.

If there were no such thing as the days of the week: In other words, we do not label how many times and when the sun light hit's the earth by how the earth rotates, how do you know which is the seventh day when there is 1. Leap year 2. Day light's savings (that is not observed in some countries) and 3. Where a day can last months at a time?

What is most important, the day (depending on where you live and if your country observes day light's savings) or taking time to worship your Lord?

 

[Mr. Beebe]

If there were no such thing as the days of the week: In other words, we do not label how many times and when the sun light hit's the earth by how the earth rotates, how do you know which is the seventh day when there is 1. Leap year 2. Day light's savings (that is not observed in some countries) and 3. Where a day can last months at a time?

How do I know which day the 7th day is? I can show you more than one way.... But history is the best way....God is the One that gave us the 7-day weekly cycle.

The Jew has always kept the 7th day Sabbath,, they still do.

The Church of Rome admits to changing it from the 7th day to the 1st day of the week.

Why do you keep bringing up Daylight Savings Time? What makes you think that has something to do with controlling the Planet and it's revolutions? It has absolutely nothing to do with anything other than saving some electricity...........sigh.............


And if the day lasted a month at a time,,,does that mean you would not sleep for a month either? Of course not! Nor does it mean the day never ends for a month.....

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yes, I understand your question. I had the same question. And I would tell you, even if you are in a zone where the sun doesn't set completely and sink behind the earth,,,it still sinks and rises several degrees,,,and we can all be aware of the time of day. Daylight savings has nothing to do with the rotation of the earth. I don't understand why you would even bring that up. Man cannot change when the sun sets or rises.

Everybody is going to hear the truth of God's 7th day Sabbath,, just as you are. When all have heard the truth of God's Sabbath,,, the false Sunday sabbath will become the law of the land. And everybody is going to have to choose between God's Sabbath & Satan's counterfiet.

I've already told you why we are to keep the Sabbath. You rejected all the reasons I gave. Your claim was that Love doesn't involve keeping Commandments. So,, no sense going thru that field again,, right?

Look at my wrap up.

No, I have not rejected what you said. I just don't share your belief system; so, I come at the approach of learning not for you to tell me I'm damed and ignorant by using your sacred scripture as sword.

My point is Satuday and Sunday does not matter in your worship to your god.

As long as there is no such thing as saturday and sunday, how could they matter according to how the the sun is in relation to the earth?

I mean, you'd have a point if all parts of the earth has the same degree and length of sunlight. That's just not the case.

That's why the Sabbath is taking time out to worship your Lord. Yes, if you'd like to keep tradition, that's not my place to say you can't. I love tradition. That doesn't mean it replaces my belief.

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Oh. I also brought it up becuase Rosends made a good (not ignorant, by the way) point and his article, I think post 63, was very nice in explaining it. Unlike Christians that I know who practice the Sabbath, he was saying (correct me if I'm wrong @rosends ) that the Jews have a way to accomondate for the lost or gain in hours and so forth.

Do Chrisitans? And why do people in your denomination see Sunday as wrong when it is only a label we put that changes by a couple of hours twice a year?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

How do I know which day the 7th day is? I can show you more than one way.... But history is the best way....God is the One that gave us the 7-day weekly cycle.

The Jew has always kept the 7th day Sabbath,, they still do.

The Church of Rome admits to changing it from the 7th day to the 1st day of the week.

Why do you keep bringing up Daylight Savings Time? What makes you think that has something to do with controlling the Planet and it's revolutions? It has absolutely nothing to do with anything other than saving some electricity...........sigh.............


And if the day lasted a month at a time,,,does that mean you would not sleep for a month either? Of course not! Nor does it mean the day never ends for a month.....

I bring it up because DLS has nothing to do with the traditions of the Jews and Romans. It's how the earth turns and sometimes the days are shorter (winter) and some are longer (summer). It isn't the same all year around.

So Saturday and Sunday flucuate. According to @rosends Jews accomondate for that. How do Christians?

Think of it this way. God will turn the earth in a way fits him best. The traditions of Jewish and Roman days are just that. It's perfect to follow them whether one is a Jew or Roman Catholic. That's fine.

That doesn't change the fact the days flucuate. So associating your worship with a particular day during the winter will change in the summer. How do you accomondate to that? Or do you not see the difference and just go by the names Saturday vs Sunday?

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I'll give you an example. I take medication every morning and evening at 10:00am/pm. That is my routine/ritual/traditon, we'll say. I've been doing that for 26 years.

In the winter, I'm taking my medication 12am. In the summer, I'm taking it at 8pm. Yet, the clock, in my ritual/tradition etc will always say 10pm.

The earth doesn't stop and say "okay, let's keep it at 10am/pm so Carlita can keep her meds" No. The Earth (god, whoever) doesn't go off of my time, my traditions, etc.

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With no direspect to the Jews and those who follow the Sabbath, but its the same thing. The traditions (taking meds at the same time) shouldn't be seen the same as reality (that the earth doesn't revolve around the times and days we give it).

Understand?

 

[Mr. Beebe]

And why do people in your denomination see Sunday as wrong when it is only a label we put that changes by a couple of hours twice a year?

In all reality,, the reason you believe in all sorts of strange Gods is because you and ancestors quit acknowledging God as the Creator.... Gee Whiz,, if you would read the Bible,, you would see what happens to people who take up pagan practices,,,But,,, you think the Bible is just an option.....That's sad.

I have told you that Sunday Observance will one day be enforced. It is the Mark of the Beast. But,, I don't think you care. It seems as if you would rather justify the Mark of the Beast even though the Bible tells us of it's eternal consequences. So,, what more can I do... If you have questions,, i will be around fro a while.