How Should I Keep the Sabbath?

[Unveiled Artist]

Something you might enjoy reading, especially the part about being lost in the desert

http://revach.net/tefila/article.php?id=3005

other discussions

http://judaism.stackexchange.com/qu...-they-count-to-align-with-7th-day-of-creation

http://www.atlantakollel.org/article_detail.php?id=240&section=resources

if you are interested.

Oh my. I would need a translator. Im just looking at the links. I will have a good read when I reach a desktop. Is Sabbath really Shabbat? We been pronouncing it wrong or is Sabbath another language translation, do you know?

 

[Flankerl]

Hebrew: Shabbat
Greek: Sabbaton
Latin: Sabbatum
English: Sabbath

Its a translated word.

 

[Mr. Beebe]

The more posts I read of yours, the less sense they make, plus you have me saying things that I didn't state nor imply. Since insulting others seems to be the hallmark of your "faith", I'm so happy I don't belong there. Jesus preached love, and that seems to be seriously missing from most of your posts.

Jesus spoke of those who are doing what you are doing in this thread:

"Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:19

Anybody can examine your posts and see that you teach what Jesus referred to as "Lawlessness" " And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you, depart from Me ye workers of Lawlessness." Matthew 7:23

I understand you are offended. But I've only pointed out your error,, and it's human nature to lash out when that criticism hits home I'm sorry you are upset with me,,but I'm not sorry for telling you the truth. Sometimes the truth stings a little bit.

I teach men that we are to keep the Commandments of God and have faith that Jesus is the Messiah.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I understand you are offended. But I've only pointed out your error,, and it's human nature to lash out when that criticism hits home I'm sorry you are upset with me,,but I'm not sorry for telling you the truth. Sometimes the truth stings a little bit.

I have to say, Sabbath talk aside, don't you understand that it is not anyone else's truth but those who share your faith?

EDIT: Let me rephrase

Yes, I know everyone should live by the Earth as that is our home. Yet, I do not tell you that your belief is wrong or not truth because of what I know is true for all people including myself.

Can you see how that statement is an insult (even though that may not have been your intention)?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

@Mr. Beebe

It says in the Gosho here (please read. I try and read the scriptures you post)

"Showing profound compassion for those unable tocomprehend the gem of the doctrine of three thousand realms in a single moment of life, the Buddha wrapped it within the five characters [of Myoho-renge-kyo], with which he then adorned the necks of the ignorant people of the latter age."

That we must show compassion for those unable to comprehend, in this case, the doctrine of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo. As so the Buddha wrapped this compassion in these letters via the Lotus Sutra or the Law within it of life/death or cause/effect. ~Gosho WND 1: 39:354

We we practice compassion for those who do not share our views. That is what the Law says and that is the Truth. Whomever does not abide by the Truth and slanders the Law are basically spiting in the face of themselves and others; life itself.

For example, it also says "When the Thus Come One appeared in this world, he made compassion for living things his basis. And as an expression of compassion for life, to refrain from taking life and to provide sustenance for living beings are the most important precepts."

The Buddha and his disciples such as Nichiren and hopefully myself and others show compassion (and us layman, try to do so) in an effort to find humility in the Law. Without that, how can we excape the bonds of life/death?

If this Truth does not sit right with you, I am sorry. It is not my intention to insult you. Please don't take it as such. Sometimes the Truth stings a little.



Although I know I am right because this is my faith, I would never in real life impose this on you as Truth nor would I any other person. I will not show people who do not share my belief that they are wrong. That is not my place to say. I can correct and help others who share my belief with the Truth as we speak from the same source. Yet, when we step back and talk to others, we show compassion and tell our beliefs with direspect.respect.

When Christ died, he died for all people. Saints and sinners. He did not reserve his judgement and saved only people who he chose. He went among the poor. He helped those sick. He saved peoples' lives.

What more example to take, if not from Christ Himself.

 

[Mr. Beebe]

When Christ died, he died for all people. Saints and sinners. He did not reserve his judgement and saved only people who he chose. He went among the poor. He helped those sick. He saved peoples' lives.

Carlita,,, you are becoming amusing.... I have been a Christian for over 2 decades. I have studied the Bible inside and out. Jesus spoke much of the wicked that have refused His Mercy, mocked His Long suffering and trampled His Law.

I am 100% sure that you would not permit something to go on in your house if it didn't agree with you.

God is going isolate sin and eradicate it from His universe. The wicked are going to be killed by Jesus when He comes. The Bible says it this way: "The slain of the Lord shall be from one end of the earth, even to the other end..." Jeremiah 25:33

"With the breath of His lips shall He slay the wicked." Isaiah 11:4

The Bible is the Truth.... "Thy word is Truth." John 17:17

So,, all these other pagan, ideas and religions that you have mixed into your belief system is designed to lead you in one direction. Away from your Creator,,,leading you instead, to eternal death.

 

[Mr. Beebe]

Carlita,,, The Sabbath is a sign,, that we are God's people and He is our God. The Thread is about God's Sabbath,, not your pagan belief system. So,, if you are offended or insulted,, perhaps you are spouting off in the wrong Thread. This thread is about God's Special Sign of His Creative power,,, The Sabbath! So,, if anybody is out of line here,, it's you!

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Ha. Ya dont get it? Have you read both posts?

I am 100% sure that you would not permit something to go on in your house if it didn't agree with you

Of course! I'd invite you if I knew you well and you dont insult my faith and practices.

So,, all these other pagan, ideas and religions that you have mixed into your belief system is designed to lead you in one direction. Away from your Creator,,,leading you instead, to eternal death

Come on now, really? This is your belief. I am not subject to your god.

Like I said: "Showing profound compassion for those unable to comprehend the gem of the doctrine of three thousand realms in a single moment of life, the Buddha wrapped it within the five characters [of Myoho-renge-kyo], with which he then adorned the necks of the ignorant people of the latter age."" ~WND 1: 39:354

This is Truth.



See how this is a bit unerving to you? That's why I dont say it. It is an insult to you and your faith. Instead, I rather show compassion not dictate sutras (scripture) as if this would mean anything to you. Compassion is a universal language. Biblical scriptures are not.

A Christian does not insult others. Is this a denominatonal thing? I know Catholics don't do this (at least in my area). The faith isn't evangalistic from the inside. Southern Baptist do it, but they kinda know their limits. Unfortuantely, I didnt know Advangalist did it. I was only familar with JW being very blunt about other people's eternal destiny as if their belief somehow is truth for someone else.

Dont know how else to explain compassion for others.

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@Mr. Beebe

I honestly don't believe anyone can take this out of context.

"Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. 46For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?"

~Mathew 5:43+

 

[Mr. Beebe]

I am not subject to your god.

Ezekiel 18:4 "Behold, all souls are mine,,,,the soul that sins shall die.'

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Ezekiel 18:4 "Behold, all souls are mine,,,,the soul that sins shall die.'

That's your faith. Do you understand that? I am not subject to your god.

I'm asking honestly. Do you understand it from my point of view? It isn't about you; it is about others.

Can you show compassion to your enemies?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

@Mr. Beebe The Gospels shows a lot of compassion. I read it all. I dont care for the manner in which Christ shows it sometimes. However, it is not about me. So, I understand where he comes from. His actions showed me the context of his compassion. His words werent so harsh because of his actions.

Im sure Christians would do the same. I hope.

 

[rosends]

Ezekiel 18:4 "Behold, all souls are mine,,,,the soul that sins shall die.'

What if I were to tell you that you are wrong and give as the proof that my texts, which you don't see as valid or authoritative, say you are wrong. Would that prove useful? You would reject the texts and I would say "the texts said that you would reject them and you are even more wrong now."

Can't you see how that is the least persuasive method out there?

 

[Mr. Beebe]

What if I were to tell you that you are wrong and give as the proof that my texts, which you don't see as valid or authoritative, say you are wrong.

Tell God He is wrong and His Bible is a fraud. Your argument is not with me. It is with God and His Bible. By the way,, YOU and CARLITA are in a thread about God's Sabbath. Which is in the Bible. so,, if you don't believe it,, why are you here complaining? Should the Christian abandon His beliefs so you don't get upset? If you reject God, His Bible and His Sabbath,, why are you still here in this thread?

 

[rosends]

Tell God He is wrong and His Bible is a fraud. Your argument is not with me. It is with God and His Bible. By the way,, YOU and CARLITA are in a thread about God's Sabbath. Which is in the Bible. so,, if you don't believe it,, why are you here complaining? Should the Christian abandon His beliefs so you don't get upset? If you reject God, His Bible and His Sabbath,, why are you still here in this thread?

No, you miss the point. You are in a thread about the sabbath and the sabbath was given to the Jews. So the actual text says you are wrong. Should the Jew abandon his beliefs because you keep quoting non-Jewish ideas? If you reject God and the actual text of the written and oral Torah, why are you here? Are you going to tell God that he is wrong in what he wrote that the Jews can quote?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Tell God He is wrong and His Bible is a fraud. Your argument is not with me. It is with God and His Bible. By the way,, YOU and CARLITA are in a thread about God's Sabbath. Which is in the Bible. so,, if you don't believe it,, why are you here complaining? Should the Christian abandon His beliefs so you don't get upset? If you reject God, His Bible and His Sabbath,, why are you still here in this thread?

What in the world. Of course a Christian should obey the Sabbath. I was just confused because you practice on Saturday and sometimes Saturday runs into Sunday sooner once a year. So, technically, you practice on Sunday half a year.

That, and the second half, I'm just asking you respect everyone else's faith and show compassion to others just as Christ.

If God has a problem with my telling you to show compassion to others who differ (as in the scripture I posted), I have no clue what to say.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

No, you miss the point. You are in a thread about the sabbath and the sabbath was given to the Jews. So the actual text says you are wrong. Should the Jew abandon his beliefs because you keep quoting non-Jewish ideas? If you reject God and the actual text of the written and oral Torah, why are you here? Are you going to tell God that he is wrong in what he wrote that the Jews can quote?

Where'd he go?

 

[Mr. Beebe]

No, you miss the point. You are in a thread about the sabbath and the sabbath was given to the Jews.

The Bible says the Sabbath was made for man,, and not man for the Sabbath. Nowhere does the Bible say that the Sabbath was made exclusively for the Jew. Nowhere. Nor can you find any scripture that says that. In fact the Sabbath was made 2500 years before the Jewish Nation even existed. So,, God wants His people to keep His Commandments,, doesn't matter if they are Jew or Gentile. So,, you are corrected,, again.

To prove your ignorance on this issue,, read the Sabbath Commandment in it's entirety,, and perhaps you will see the phrase that commands that even the "stranger that is within thy gates" adhere to the Sabbath Commandment. If you are a Jew,, the only stranger is a Gentile.

And by the way,,after the Gentiles heard and accepted the Gospel message, they were observing the Sabbath as well. You just lack knowledge about these things. Probably because you don't study the scriptures. But I do.

 

[Mr. Beebe]

I was just confused because you practice on Saturday and sometimes Saturday runs into Sunday sooner once a year. So, technically, you practice on Sunday half a year.

In all my life,, I have never met anybody as confused as you are right now. You are silly if you think that Saturday can run into Sunday and overlap. This concept has NEVER been heard of. Absolute ignorance on your behalf. You can claim I'm insulting you,, I don't care,,, I've never seen such ignorance in probably 30 years.

How is that you think that the days overlap each other?... wow,, And to claim that I keep Sunday half a year? I can't remember when I witnessed such rampant ignorance.

 

[rosends]

The Bible says the Sabbath was made for man,, and not man for the Sabbath.

No, it doesn't. Your text which ISN'T the bible does. Get it? Your text is not biblical so you must be wrong.

Nowhere does the Bible say that the Sabbath was made exclusively for the Jew.

OK, start with Exodus 31:16-17. "The people of Israel shall keep Shabbat, observing Shabbat throughout the ages as a covenant for all time. It is a sign for all time between Me and the people of Israel". Oh, wait. Are you going to say that the "Children of Israel" and "Jews" are two different things? Gee, Jewish texts say you are wrong...again. Oh, are you going to claim to be "grafted in"? Well, your text says you are grafted in to Israel, not Jews. This will present a huge number of problems for your theology Of course, Jesus says that salvation is of the Jews and he came for the "lost sheep of Israel" which is a title given in the texts like Jeremiah 50 and Ezekiel and Micah. So either JEsus was wrong and "Israel" is not Jews and you have been grafted in to nothing, or Jesus is right and Israel is the Jews and the sabbath was a covenant between God and Israel/Jews. Your life is a lie, one way or the other. Have fun choosing.
You're welcome.

To prove your ignorance on this issue,, read the Sabbath Commandment in it's entirety,, and perhaps you will see the phrase that commands that even the "stranger that is within thy gates" adhere to the Sabbath Commandment. If you are a Jew,, the only stranger is a Gentile.

You might want to learn a bit of Hebrew before you go down this road. The English word "stranger" isn't an accurate translation. If it were, then by your logic, the law would only apply to people I haven't met yet, regardless of their religion. Do some research before you discuss biblical Hebrew with me. I'm much better at it than you.

And by the way,,after the Gentiles heard and accepted the Gospel message, they were observing the Sabbath as well. You just lack knowledge about these things. Probably because you don't study the scriptures. But I do.

No, you study texts which are inventions and lies. Since I dismiss your texts as cavalierly as you dismiss mine and others' it is simple for me to show how wrong you are, constantly.

 

[Mr. Beebe]

You might want to learn a bit of Hebrew before you go down this road. The English word "stranger" isn't an accurate translation. If it were, then by your logic, the law would only apply to people I haven't met yet, regardless of their religion. Do some research before you discuss biblical Hebrew with me. I'm much better at it than you.

Why don't you explain what God really meant when He commanded even, "thy stranger that is within thy gates" ???? I show you where you err.... So,, why not explain my error and tell me what God really meant,, seeings how you are an expert in hebrew & probable the greek as well ????? lol I will tell you up front,, you have no answer,,,, Because if you did,, you would have posted it and shown me up. But instead,, you couldn't address the issue. lol

No, you study texts which are inventions and lies.

So,, the truth comes out!!!! You are a Bible rejector!!! lol I figured as much. lol