How Should I Keep the Sabbath?

[glori]

First and foremost, I am not bitter, If I saw someone who was supposedly your friend put a poisonous snake in your mailbox, and tried to warn you in time to prevent you from being bitten, is a good analogy. I went on to familiarize myself with the whole and express word of God when Religion failed me. I will now point out that Ex.31.13 refers to "Sabbaths", and that is plural. A Sabbath is a holy day that no servile work is to be done, and there are seven other holy days other that the weekly Sabbath. When the laws of the land or circumstances prevent us from keeping the holy days the way the first Israel was instructed, it is not an act of rebellion for us not to keep them. But no where in scripture are we to do away with the Sabbaths of rest.

As far as accusing ALL of "spitting in God's face", that is not the case, this age was born to this pagan calendar, so until the truth is made known, no one is guilty,. The counsel of Nicaea brought the pagan calendar into the faith after the apostles were all dead - knowing the Hebrew calendar that the Jews and new Christians kept at that time was the one God gave for his children to separate themselves from the pagan nations and to identify that Jehovah is their God. It was their deliberate intention to prevent that very thing in the coming ages. The spitting in God's face, was when they later named each day of the week after a pagan god. Before you defend that, ask yourself, if such a thing were up for the vote, keep the numbered days or give them pagan titles, how would you vote? Ps.50.18, James.4.4

This forum is difficult for me to manover in, so I may not be able to find my way back, so what you do with information is between you and God. It is possible to refer to the months and days by saying the date like is on our drivers license, because I have almost completely broken the pagan calendar habit. I do honor all the Sabbaths, and I celebrate the birth of Jesus by keeping the feasts of Tabernacles instead of violating 2 Cor.6.14-18 and celebrating with every non believer. You can email me if you wish. [email protected]

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I do light house work on the Sabbath. I don't believe this is breaking the fourth commandment. What do you do on the Sabbath and what is lawful and unlawful? Thanks.

To take time out just to focus on God doesnt sound wrong, right?

Colossians 2:16 "Do Not Judge Your Brother" Why? Romans 14:17 (So, celebrate for the Lord)
Found it!! Romans 14:5 I was looking for this for ages.
Colossians 2:16,17

Hebrews 13:9 Dont mistake what you do as a substitute for God's grace. Do it in correspondencr (as verses above) for the Lord in his grace (not directly from scripture)

Cross reference and context: http://biblehub.com/romans/14-5.htm

I mean, you can clean youe house for the lord if you like. I think many christians are missing the point.

Hope this helps.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I think a bigger question is WHEN do you keep the Sabbath? God said that the seventh day is holy because He rested from His work of creation. Most churches say that the new Sabbath is Sunday because Christ rose from the dead on Sunday. Why would something Christ did change something God said thousands of years before? First decide what day you should be keeping and then you can decide how to keep it. The commandment just says to REMEMBER the Sabbath. It does not say what work you can or cannot do. But if you are remembering the wrong day then you are breaking the commandment.

Does the day somehow void taking time out of your day to worship god? Does he get mad if you dont wait four more hours until 12am? Dont get the connection.

 

[Mr. Beebe]

Colossians 2:16 "Do Not Judge Your Brother" Why? Romans 14:17 (So, celebrate for the Lord)
Found it!! Romans 14:5 I was looking for this for ages.
Colossians 2:16,17

Many people have attempted to use both, Colossians 2:14-17 & Romans 14:5 to justify ignoring the Sabbath Commandment or substituting another day instead of the 7th day that the 4th Commandment surely tells us to observe and keep holy. Let's take a closer look at these scriptures.

Colossians 2:14-17 refers only to the sabbaths which were, "a shadow of things to come", and not the 7th day Sabbath of the Decalogue. There were seven yearly holy day, or holidays in ancient Israel that were also sabbaths. These were in addition to the 7th day Sabbath. See Leviticus 23:38. Those are the "sabbaths" that were abolished. They all foreshadowed, or pointed to, the cross and ended at the cross. The seven yearly sabbaths that were abolished are listed in Leviticus chapter 23.

Romans 14:5 Notice that the whole chapter is on judging one another (Verse 4,10,13). The issue here is not over the 7th day Sabbath, but over the yearly feast days of the ceremonial law Jewish Christians were judging Gentile Christians for not observing them. Paul told them not to judge each other. That the ceremonial law had ended and was no longer binding.

Friday the 6th day is referred to as "preparation day". If we are organized, we won't be doing housework on the Sabbath. All our work will be completed before the sunsets on Friday evening.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

@Mr. Beebe

You typed (without the colors):

Many people have attempted to use both, Colossians 2:14-17 & Romans 14:5 to justify ignoring the Sabbath Commandment or substituting another day instead of the 7th day that the 4th Commandment surely tells us to observe and keep holy. Let's take a closer look at these scriptures.

Colossians 2:14-17 refers only to the sabbaths which were, "a shadow of things to come", and not the 7th day Sabbath of the Decalogue. There were seven yearly holy day, or holidays in ancient Israel that were also sabbaths. These were in addition to the 7th day Sabbath. See Leviticus 23:38. Those are the "sabbaths" that were abolished. They all foreshadowed, or pointed to, the cross and ended at the cross. The seven yearly sabbaths that were abolished are listed in Leviticus chapter 23.

Romans 14:5 Notice that the whole chapter is on judging one another (Verse 4,10,13). The issue here is not over the 7th day Sabbath, but over the yearly feast days of the ceremonial law Jewish Christians were judging Gentile Christians for not observing them. Paul told them not to judge each other. That the ceremonial law had ended and was no longer binding.

Should you not celebrate it because it is not binding or do you not because you don't care to take time out of your day or week to spend time with your Lord? Paul said not to judge each other; that is not for a particular set of people. No one should judge each other. ​

Friday the 6th day is referred to as "preparation day". If we are organized, we won't be doing housework on the Sabbath. All our work will be completed before the sunsets on Friday evening.

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Do you feel that you don't have to spend time out of your week with God because it is not binding or should you want to no matter if it is required or not?

Christians are missing the point.

What is wrong with taking out a specific time to worship your god?

When Jesus told the Jews about traditions, he did not want them to idolize them. During the Lord's supper, did Jesus idolize the supper or was it a celebration of his resurrection and communion with his brothers?

Why judge your brother about what day he should take time out to worship god? Does the day void his devotion? Did it not say that it is Gods grace for which the foundation of celebration arises and not the actual food or day!

Taking time to worship your lord is the Sabbath. Why not celebrate it?

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Colossians 2:14-17 I don't understand what you mean.

"No one is to act as your judge as to food or drank.." and so forth

I'm not a literalist. I also feel that the whole Bible applies to all Christians not just the Jews. I also look behind the context and say if God "rested"; god rested. Instead of trying to figure out which day is the seventh and which is not (which I assume is the Church history issue not a biblical one), just take time out of your week to worship your Lord. If you want to do it on a Saturday, which of your brothers and sisters in Christ have the right to judge your relationship with Christ based on the day you worship him?

If there were only five days in the week (no Sat. and Sun.) would that deter your worship? Or would Christians be still going around in circles trying to figure out where the seventh day is when there is only five in this analogy?

I look for the meaning behind what is said. If you're god has an issue with days, I don't know what to say.

Your relationship shouldn't have to do with the days of the week but the grace of Christ.

I mean, Jesus celebrated the Sabbath (meaning rather than tradition) when he went to pray to his Father. He took time out to devote his full time with His Father.

Which verse in scripture is against this type of devotion?

 

[NathanShepard8888]

youtube.com/watch?v=5O1508ad1ZA

Here is a nice video on the Sabbath.

 

[metis]

An obvious question is how exactly does one "observe the Sabbath", and the Torah spells that out (see the verses that cover that here: http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/r/rsv...Sabbath&restrict=Old+Testament&size=First+100 ).

 

[Mr. Beebe]

What is wrong with taking out a specific time to worship your god?

God sets the parameters of our worship. God created the 7 day weekly cycle. He "sanctified" and "blessed" the 7th day.

The 7th day Sabbath is a sign that God is the Creator. " Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy."
"For in six days the Lord made heaven and the earth, the sea, and all that in them is,,,," Exodus 20:8,11

It is also a sign of redemption and sanctification. "Moreover also I gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them." Ezekiel 20:12

It is in the Sabbath Commandment that we find the "Seal of God". In that Command we see that God is the Creator,,that His jurisdiction is heaven and earth.

The opposite of the Seal of God is the Mark of the Beast. The Papacy is the Beast power that changed God's Sabbath from the 7th day to the 1st. They did so as a Mark of their universal power, even to change the God's Law,,,which is exalting themselves over God.

Notice the following from a Catholic Catechism:

Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

Answer:" Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her, she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."

So, the Papacy claims that Sunday as a holy day is the Mark, or symbol, of her power and authority.

Sunday observance is a mandate of the Papacy. It is the Mark of the Beast.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Does it void your worship if you worshiped on a Tuesday instead of Saturday?

Is there a verse that says you cannot take a day from your week to spend with your Lord?

God sets the parameters of our worship. God created the 7 day weekly cycle. He "sanctified" and "blessed" the 7th day.

The 7th day Sabbath is a sign that God is the Creator. " Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy."
"For in six days the Lord made heaven and the earth, the sea, and all that in them is,,,," Exodus 20:8,11

It is also a sign of redemption and sanctification. "Moreover also I gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them." Ezekiel 20:12

It is in the Sabbath Commandment that we find the "Seal of God". In that Command we see that God is the Creator,,that His jurisdiction is heaven and earth.

The opposite of the Seal of God is the Mark of the Beast. The Papacy is the Beast power that changed God's Sabbath from the 7th day to the 1st. They did so as a Mark of their universal power, even to change the God's Law,,,which is exalting themselves over God.

Notice the following from a Catholic Catechism:

Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

Answer:" Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her, she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."

So, the Papacy claims that Sunday as a holy day is the Mark, or symbol, of her power and authority.

Sunday observance is a mandate of the Papacy. It is the Mark of the Beast.

 

[Mr. Beebe]

Does it void your worship if you worshiped on a Tuesday instead of Saturday?

Is there a verse that says you cannot take a day from your week to spend with your Lord?

If you keep another day than what God has commanded you,,,then you are disobeying the Lord.

That is what I call "Cain" worship. Cain wanted to worship God the way he saw fit and not how God commanded him. The poor quality worship that Cain offered God was not accepted (Genesis 4:5).

You can pray to God, or spend time with God always,,,but the Sabbath is a special time that God has Sanctified for Holy use. We are to rest from our labors and worship the Creator as the Commandment states.


When men forget God's Sabbath they begin to worship other things (Idolatry) and they forget the Creator. Is it any wonder why God began His 4th Commandment with the word "REMEMBER"? Revelation 14:7 is a warning to Honor God by keeping His 7th day Sabbath.

God gave us a Sabbath (the 7th day), Satan set us up a counterfeit (the 1st day). Whom shall we obey?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

If you keep another day than what God has commanded you,,,then you are disobeying the Lord.

That is what I call "Cain" worship. Cain wanted to worship God the way he saw fit and not how God commanded him. The poor quality worship that Cain offered God was not accepted (Genesis 4:5).

You can pray to God, or spend time with God always,,,but the Sabbath is a special time that God has Sanctified for Holy use. We are to rest from our labors and worship the Creator as the Commandment states.


When men forget God's Sabbath they begin to worship other things (Idolatry) and they forget the Creator. Is it any wonder why God began His 4th Commandment with the word "REMEMBER"? Revelation 14:7 is a warning to Honor God by keeping His 7th day Sabbath.

God gave us a Sabbath (the 7th day), Satan set us up a counterfeit (the 1st day). Whom shall we obey?

I understand all the scriptures you are posting.

The issue is your worship depends on the days of the week not your heart. That throws me off.

Worship is something you do from your heart. If your god does not accept that because it's on a Tuesday, I honestly don't know what to say.

Without quoting scripture, tell me logically how does that one day out of the week make your worship more important than any other day?

Do you just follow him without ever saying that you are in a relation-ship with him and it's a two way street? Or (I'm thinking of movies) is it more "I follow you. I have no thoughts. I have no heart. I do what you say. I bow down and have no heart of my own. I have no say. I am your slave"?

Are you a slave to god?

How is that a relationship if you view god's Word as commands?

 

[Mr. Beebe]

The issue is your worship depends on the days of the week not your heart. That throws me off.

If we love God, we will obey Him. Jesus said, "If ye love Me, keep My Commandments." God made the Sabbath for man. Jesus is our Example and He kept it Luke 4:16. Love without commandment-keeping is no love at all (1 John 2:4). God reads the heart and knows the motives of men.

Do you just follow him without ever saying that you are in a relation-ship with him and it's a two way street? Or (I'm thinking of movies) is it more "I follow you. I have no thoughts. I have no heart. I do what you say. I bow down and have no heart of my own. I have no say. I am your slave"?

We are to surrender all to God. Afterall, we belong to Him. He made us. He could have made us like robots and have programmed to automatically worship Him forever and ever, but,, God values our choice so much, that He permits us to make some decisions that have terrible results. But whatever happens, He has promised never to leave me, and to raise me from my grave at His appearance should I die before He comes. I am a sinner. I am guilty and worthy of the penalty of eternal death. But Jesus came and paid that penalty with His Eternal life so I don't have to. I'm not gonna pass this deal up. No way! Proverbs 29:8 "happy is he who keeps the Law." It sounds like you believe that obeying God will somehow make you miserable,,,,,,well,, just the opposite will occur. Blessings come with obeying God.

How is that a relationship if you view god's Word as commands?

I know He loves Me. i know that keeping His law will bring peace to my life. I know He wants to save me. I know He loves so much that He sent His only Son to die and be humiliated, mocked, spit on, and nailed to a cross,, all because He loves you and me that much. And you ask about the relationship that I have with Him that suffered for me? And not only me, but my children, whom I also love and desire to be with for eternity. When I came to the realization that God loves my children more than I do,, well I surrendered. For God is love.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Seems pretty simple. God makes the seventh day holy. God issues a commandment to keep the sabbath. Mankind tries to find ways to say it means something else. Man is always looking for excuses to avoid what God says.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

God reads the heart and knows the motives of men.

When you love someone and they love you, both lets each other express how they love the other from the heart. A husband would not tell his wife "you must love me like this" and a wife would not say the same to her husband. That isnt a marriage.

I dont believe love exist within commands. There is no love in heirachy. I love my mother because she lets me show how I love her in the way I feel comfortable. She finds when it comes from me it means a lot more than her telling me what to do.

That is how I view love. We differ in our views.

He could have made us like robots and have programmed to automatically worship Him forever and ever, but,

In my point of view looking in, it "sounds like" christians are robots. Of course, not all christians think that way, thank gosh, and those that do, it sounds like god gives you guys no room to breathe. It doesnt sound like a healthy relationship to me.

know He loves Me. i know that keeping His law will bring peace to my life. I know He wants to save me. I know He loves so much that He sent His only Son to die and be humiliated, mocked, spit on, and nailed to a cross,, all because He loves you and me that much. And you ask about the relationship that I have with Him that suffered for me? And not only me, but my children, whom I also love and desire to be with for eternity. When I came to the realization that God loves my chi

This is very beautiful. Thank you for expressing this from your heart. I know scripture helps, but when you really share something from you it means more than what I read.

 

[Mr. Beebe]

That isnt a marriage.

I dont believe love exist within commands. There is no love in heirachy.

It is God who created the institution of Marriage.

It is God that set up the hierarchy of the family unit.

"If ye love Me, keep My commandments." John 14:15

You don't believe love exists in commands? If you love your neighbor you would act in such a manner that his safety would be paramount. Which means you would obey even traffic laws and health laws.

In Marriage we take vows to love and honor our spouses. Can any of us truly say we love our spouses with all our hearts and then cheat on them, possibly endangering them with Sexually Transmitted Diseases?

In a Marriage, do you expect your spouse to remain faithful to you? I do.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It is God who created the institution of Marriage.

It is God that set up the hierarchy of the family unit.

"If ye love Me, keep My commandments." John 14:15

You don't believe love exists in commands? If you love your neighbor you would act in such a manner that his safety would be paramount. Which means you would obey even traffic laws and health laws.

In Marriage we take vows to love and honor our spouses. Can any of us truly say we love our spouses with all our hearts and then cheat on them, possibly endangering them with Sexually Transmitted Diseases?

In a Marriage, do you expect your spouse to remain faithful to you? I do.

I explained it. A husband and a wife are not at each others command. In my childhood, when it was time to give gifts to our elders, we were never told what to bring. They wanted us to give gifts from our heart. Thats what I value. From the heart.

I dont see love in the our societal laws. If we treated each other (US) better, as humans, and stick behind "freedom of religion" then we would hopefully not have a christian tell a muslim how he should think. An atheist wouls hopefully not tell a christian god does not exist.

Thats not how it is, but if we lived in peace, that is how I would see it. Equality. We help others not expect them to do things for us "because we are their parent, teacher, wife, etc"

Love has No reservations and no expectations.

If you want someone to love you, let "that person" love you. Dont dictate how love is supposed to be for anyone. Its interesting. We would probably know what love is if we werent commanded to give it.

 

[Mr. Beebe]

I explained it.

You can't explain it,, you didn't invent it. God did.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You can't explain it,, you didn't invent it. God did.

I can. I did. Please dont impose your faith on me. I said "in my view" this is what is true. "We differ" in our beliefs.

No believer has a monopoly on truth. There are hundreds of gods.

That last post when you talked about your children, stick with that. Its from your heart. It has a better tone. It comes from you.

 

[Mr. Beebe]

No believer has a monopoly on truth. There are hundreds of gods.

Not according to the Holy Bible:

" Before Me, there was no God formed, nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord and besides Me there is no Savior." Isaiah 43:10

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Not according to the Holy Bible:

" Before Me, there was no God formed, nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord and besides Me there is no Savior." Isaiah 43:10

This is life. Atheist has no monopoly on truth. Christians dont. Muslims dont. I dont. No one does. There are many gods. There are many goddesses. There are many faiths. The god of abraham doesnt have a say over the god of, I dont know, Helenism.

As a result...

No bible, sutra,quran, or other sacres text has a claim on other faiths.

You believe in god. Not everyone shares your views.

I say that to myself in class every time I teach. They dont know english fluently. They dont know american culture (native). So we have different ways of communication.

As a teacher, I have to have a "common foundation" for both of us to understand each other. We wont step over toes of who knows better english. Everylne is treated fairly.

That is how RF is. Please respect my beliefs. I dont see love in heirachy. I explained that a wife and husband depend and serve each other. This exist even if there was no such thing as christianity.