How should the Christian Church treat homosexuals?

[Fester]

In the NT...

Pssst....Mathew, Mark, Luke, John are the gospels.

 

[yourgraceisenough]

Your interpretation of the word of God. Let's be clear on this.

show me where you think I have interpreted it in correctly...

 

[yourgraceisenough]

To be fair, his stand on this is quite clear. He says christianity should love the sinner and "hate" the sin.




1- I would advice you to read the whole bible if you think it is truth as a whole.

2- I agree, slavery is wrong. The thing is bible has written in support of it saying is if it were the word of God in the OT and Jesus never directly opposed this. that being, slavery is God mandate unless you can use "times change" from now and on to understand that some parts of the law will change with time in the same way as it HAS changed with time.

This is my argument on why homosexuality isn´t sinful. It doesn´t oppose the two major commandments Jesus put (God love and love others). So it should be compatible with a Christian lifestyle.


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100% agreed.

Everyone must remember that we are acting on what WE believe is right or if "the word of God"

I have read the entire bible several actually but I cannot say I have retained every word of it...

 

[yourgraceisenough]

In fact, Jesus says nothing whatsoever about homosexuality. Feel free to prove me wrong if you wish, or just post some more pointlessly cryptic distractions.

Jesus is God, the word of God says homosexuality is wrong...

 

[Me Myself]

Jesus is God, the word of God says homosexuality is wrong...

Jesus said we are all Gods.

I, being God, say homosexuality is for those who enjoy it.

 

[yourgraceisenough]

Even if there isn't, even if there is no proof whatsoever that homosexuality isn't a choice, that does not count as proof that it is a choice. The question was, prove homosexuality is a choice.

there is nothing to prove it isn't a gene or anything in the body that makes someone gay, so that can only lead to assume outside influences cause it, the most obvious being choice...

 

[Fester]

some rules were for a certain time, people and place and have been fulfilled or finished...

Which were, which weren't, and who decides?

 

[IsmailaGodHasHeard]

That is one reason why I am not a Christian. The God I would have to follow is portrayed as a monster in his book. He hates nearly anything and everything. I embrace the fact that people are different and diverse, and although I don't completely understand how a Christian can ignore the things God did in the past as well as cherry pick the living hell out of what they want to Bible to mean, as long as that makes them happy I am okay with it. I will just never understand it

That is not true. God is very loving.

 

[IsmailaGodHasHeard]

there is nothing to prove it isn't a gene or anything in the body that makes someone gay, so that can only lead to assume outside influences cause it, the most obvious being choice...

It is not a choice!

 

[yourgraceisenough]

Can you prove you didn't? (See how that works?)

you claimed I did or rather your sock puppet did so I would argue the burden of proof is on you...

 

[IsmailaGodHasHeard]

:yes::clap:clap:yes:

Thank you.

 

[IsmailaGodHasHeard]

The bible also says the Earth has corners and that Christians don't get poisoned. Care to test either of those?

Where does the Bible say those things? Please show me.

 

[yourgraceisenough]

Jesus said we are all Gods.

I, being God, say homosexuality is for those who enjoy it.

I think we covered this one with judges and controlof yourself...

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Jesus is God, the word of God says homosexuality is wrong...

Spoon is soup and soup says corn. So spoon is yarn.

The least you can do is make your lies interesting.

 

[yourgraceisenough]

It is not a choice!

says who...

 

[angellous_evangellous]

show me where you think I have interpreted it in correctly...

Nowhere so far.

 

[Blackdog22]

oh forgive me, it was God who chopped down most of the forest land, it was Gods factories that ruined the air, it was God's bombs that exploded above and below the Earth, it was Gods drills that have sucked the oil out of the Earth..

This thread is blowing up, so I am not sure if this has been addressed, but I find it ironic that when a Doctor cures someone of cancer people give credit to God. When a football team wins, God. When someone gets a number one hit single on the radio, God. When a baby is born, God. The list goes on if things people attribute to God that are all human actions that have nothing to do with him.

I find it very bizarre that these same people then prove hypocritical by saying that when we pollute the earth that isn't God, or when we blow someone up that isn't God.

Why was it God when we ourselves found the cures for diseases while God stood idlely by and watched us all die??

 

[InChrist]

And even when there is no other, Jesus is god. When the jews wanted to kill him because of it he cited that very psalm to remember them that it was in the scriptures that we are all gods.

As God who became human, Jesus was using the scripture quote from Psalm to condemn those who took up stones and set themselves up as judges and gods against Him, just as the scripture was originally used in Psalm… as a condemnation. In no way did Jesus use this scripture to say they were gods.

In any case, the thing is simple, Jesus has chalenged scripture more than once, because some things change with time.

Pork was once bad and it still reads so in the bible. Now it is not bad.

This happens because scriptures where made for the man not the man for the scriptures, the same way the sabath was made for man and not man for the sabath.

This is why times have changed and homosexuality should no longer be considered sinful.

[FONT=&quot]Jesus clarified some points of scripture, but He never challenged or changed scripture. After all, He is the WORD. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever(Hebrews 13:8). God’s moral law does not change and the immorality of homosexuality is reiterated in the NT along with other moral sins.[/FONT]

This is because homosexuals can love God among all else and everyone as Jesus loved them. Their sexual lifes have nothing to do with it as if only scripture is against it then it is nothing that hasn´t changed before for the greater good.

Homosexuals or anyone demonstrates their love for God when they repent and turn from their sins submitting their life and behavior to God. Anyone who willfully continues in sin does not love God, but in in rebellion against His authority.

Jesus set an example, he said we are all gods. He taught us forgiveness. He taught us love and acceptance.

Even more, if Jesus accepted prostitutes to come to him, wouldn´t they cease to be prostitutes when coming to him? but they were not "former prostitutes" they were prostitutes. So they were learning with him even thoguh their ongoing job and life was what the OT would call sin.

You can understand this in 2 ways:

1- Jesus didn´t see prostitution as a sin

2- Even if they were sinners who persisted in sin, they needed his words and were allowed to hear what he said.


If either point 1 or point 2 is correct, homosexuals should be allowed in churches even if they are married.

Otherwise, you are not loving all the same way Jesus did.

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Jesus was compassionate and loving toward sinners, but His instruction was to go and sin no more. The church must follow Christ's example and give this same message.


Love without truth is not love.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

says who...

Says you.

 

[Fester]

To be fair, his stand on this is quite clear. He says christianity should love the sinner and "hate" the sin.

Yes, but most everyone (except him) seems to understand that homosexuality itself isn't an "act", but simply what some people are. So how can one hate homosexuality without hating the homosexual?