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How should the Christian Church treat homosexuals?

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yourgraceisenough

yourgraceisenough

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Me Myself said:
I agree that not all law has been changed. But certanly some has.

The bible also said from start that the woman would suffer in labour (now cesarea is posible so is not necesary to suffer) and that she would be subjugated to man eternally.

Machism is supported much more enphatically and throghout the whole bible even more than hate towards homosexuality is. So if we decided on equality on gender for women even though the whole bible talks against it, then we can too decide that homosexuality is not a sin.
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again strawman arguement, the fact that society whishes to bend to the position of women in society does not make the biblical position any different...

the fact that child birth was made more painful and now we have drugs to stop that does not demonstrate a change in Gods will...

homosexuality remains a sin...
 
Jainarayan

Jainarayan

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yourgraceisenough said:
just because some levitical laws on diet have changed it does not mean the whole will of God has changed...
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Picked any lately? :p

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Me Myself

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yourgraceisenough said:
again strawman arguement, the fact that society whishes to bend to the position of women in society does not make the biblical position any different...
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So are you saying women shouldn´t teach?

There were also a lot of laws that accepted slavery in OT and Jesus never specifically said that slavery was now wrong.

regardless, we now accept slavery is not right. Maybe you would differ like you differ in the fact that women should teach?
 
yourgraceisenough

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Me Myself said:
So are you saying women shouldn´t teach?

There were also a lot of laws that accepted slavery in OT and Jesus never specifically said that slavery was now wrong.

regardless, we now accept slavery is not right. Maybe you would differ like you differ in the fact that women should teach?
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actually I don't think women should teach men...
 
Jainarayan

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yourgraceisenough said:
I leave cherry picking to the cults like the LDS and JW's....lol
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You can't say some laws of the bible are in effect and others are not just on your personal opinion. It's all of it or none of it.

18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. - Matthew 5:18

Matthew 5:18 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The main debate over the interpretation of this verse is just how absolute it is. Schweizer feels that "until heaven and earth pass away" means that the Mosaic Law will only last until the end times, and will be superseded in the messianic age. He argues that the opening "for truly I say to you" is "typical of statements concerning the eschaton." He also believes that this verse is a modification of the clearly eschatological one at Mark 13:31.[7] France disagrees feeling that "until heaven and earth pass away" is simply an idiom for the inconceivable.[8]
"Until all things are accomplished" is also the subject of controversy. It is uncertain what all is referring to and how it will be accomplished. France lists three interpretations: until the end of the world, until all the requirements of the Law are met, until the arrival of the messiah. The three interpretations all imply very different understandings of how absolute Mosaic law is for Christians in the current era
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Fester

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yourgraceisenough said:
The very fact that to many so called Christians compromise the word of God to make it pallatable for sinners is why there is no perceived difference between christians and none christians and how they live...

If believers would be strong enough in faith they would stand for what God says is right and would set a clear example of how to live...
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Which ones are the "so-called" Christians? And who is righteous enough to make that determination?
 
Fester

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yourgraceisenough said:
If you read what I wrote carefully you will see it is not what you said, what it does mean if Christians actually stood up and said homosexuality as all sin is wrong it would be clear to people what Christianity stands for..
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That's right. Forget all that silly stuff Jesus said about loving one another, and not judging others, and crap like that. I mean, who wants Christianity to stand for dumb stuff like love and forgiveness and peace?
 
Me Myself

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Fester said:
That's right. Forget all that silly stuff Jesus said about loving one another, and not judging others, and crap like that. I mean, who wants Christianity to stand for dumb stuff like love and forgiveness and peace?
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To be fair, his stand on this is quite clear. He says christianity should love the sinner and "hate" the sin.


yourgraceisenough said:
I really haven't looked that much in to slavery in the OT....

I would have to see what it has to say but in essence I think slavery is wrong...yes
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1- I would advice you to read the whole bible if you think it is truth as a whole.

2- I agree, slavery is wrong. The thing is bible has written in support of it saying is if it were the word of God in the OT and Jesus never directly opposed this. that being, slavery is God mandate unless you can use "times change" from now and on to understand that some parts of the law will change with time in the same way as it HAS changed with time.

This is my argument on why homosexuality isn´t sinful. It doesn´t oppose the two major commandments Jesus put (God love and love others). So it should be compatible with a Christian lifestyle.


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yourgraceisenough said:
nope My position is to follow the word of God....
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Your interpretation of the word of God. Let's be clear on this.
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100% agreed.

Everyone must remember that we are acting on what WE believe is right or if "the word of God"
 
Fester

Fester

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yourgraceisenough said:
is there a gay gene, any solid fact that proves being gay is not a choice.....:D
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Even if there isn't, even if there is no proof whatsoever that homosexuality isn't a choice, that does not count as proof that it is a choice. The question was, prove homosexuality is a choice.
 
yourgraceisenough

yourgraceisenough

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TouchedbytheLord said:
You can't say some laws of the bible are in effect and others are not just on your personal opinion. It's all of it or none of it.

18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. - Matthew 5:18

Matthew 5:18 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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wiki..lol

some of the rules are clearly for a time a place and a people, others are cast in stone so to speak....:)
 
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