How should the Christian Church treat homosexuals?

[InChrist]

Like they do anyone else who enters their doors. Everyone is a sinner, homosexuals aren't special sinners. "Hate the sin, Love the sinner" The church should treat everyone with respect and love, while simultaneously calling everyone to repentance.

This is my perspective also.

 

[Me Myself]

Because we don't view homosexuality as a sin

This.

Homosexuality is not a sin.

 

[yourgraceisenough]

I have known a few homosexual people (male and female) over the years, some very close friends who I've known from a very young age. In each of their lives there were childhood factors, including parental neglect and sexual molestation, which I believe greatly contributed to their sexual orientation. I don’t necessarily think a person reaches a certain point and then chooses to be homosexual, but I do believe that every person is born with the tendency toward sin and various factors in one’s life slant one toward one sin area or another. I believe God our Creator wants people whole and free from sin, whatever sin may dominant one’s life. I believe at some point a person becomes responsible to make a choice and God gives everyone opportunity to make the choice to be free from the bondage of sin or continue in it.



Prominent U.S. Gay Activist Now Publicly Speaking Out Against Homosexuality


“Michael Glatze, once a rising star in the homosexual movement, having become the editor of the popular Young Gay America magazine in his early 20s, has since left the homosexual lifestyle and is now publicly speaking out against homosexuality, and encouraging other homosexuals to leave the way of life that he says "is by its very nature pornographic."

In a powerful testimonial printed yesterday on WorldNetDaily, Glatze publicly reveals his conversion, and chronicles his tumultuous and unhappy journey through homosexuality, to where he is today, a recovered homosexual and a Christian, eager to lead others out of the lifestyle that claimed him for so many years.”
“Glatze is the second prominent homosexual rights activist involved with a pro-homosexual magazine to have publicly left the lifestyle in the last year. Charlene Cothran, the founder and publisher of VENUS magazine, formerly a pro-homosexual publication, has since become a Christian, left the homosexual lifestyle, and has radically altered the nature of her magazine, changing it into a forum by which to "encourage, educate and assist those who desire to leave a life of homosexuality."

"Although I have lived as a lesbian for my entire adult life, it is without a doubt my soul’s purpose to use my gifts to LOVINGLY share the truth about how we got here," Cothran wrote in the first issue of the magazine dedicated to its new purpose. "How we came to be gay or lesbian, how we came to enjoy our ‘lifestyle’ and how we came to believe that this was OK with God."

Excerpt; Prominent U.S. Gay Activist Now Publicly Speaking Out Against Homosexuality | LifeSiteNews.com




The day I decided to stop being gay

Twenty years after he came out, Patrick Muirhead, 41, explains why he is suddenly feeling the appeal of the opposite sex

A minor incident in a barber’s shop last week has helped me to realise that I may no longer be gay. Not a fully fledged homo, anyway; perhaps not even a part-timer who helps the team out when it’s busy. It appears I may be going straight.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/men/article6990013.ece




Common misconceptions about homosexuality
1. Gays are 10% of the population
2. Gay relationships are as stable and long-lasting as those of heterosexuals
3. Gays are extremely promiscuous
4. Gays and lesbians are psychologically on par with heterosexuals
5. Gay psychological problems are a result of society's discrimination and rejection
6. Gays are born that way
7. Gays say that they have been this way ever since they can remember
8. Gays choose this lifestyle
9. Nobody knows how same sex attraction develops
10. Homosexual orientation cannot be changed
11. Gay teens need special support in schools
12. Therapy producing change in sexual orientation is damaging
13. Private sexual acts do not affect society
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wow excellent post...

 

[InChrist]

This.

Homosexuality is not a sin.

There are many behaviors which humans engage in which we prefer not to call sin, but the scriptures say otherwise. I certainly would not have called many of the things I've done sin, but then I'm not the Creator. Your disagreement is with God' word.

 

[yourgraceisenough]

There are many behaviors which humans engage in which we prefer not to call sin, but the scriptures say otherwise. I certainly would not have called many of the things I've done sin, but then I'm not the Creator. Your disagreement is with God' word.

well said I have been trying to tell them that very thing...

 

[InChrist]

well said I have been trying to tell them that very thing...

I realize you have been expressing the same thing and despite the condemnation you have received I think you have been faithful to God's word and shared the truth with kindness and humility.

 

[yourgraceisenough]

I realize you have been expressing the same thing and despite the condemnation you have received I think you have been faithful to God's word and shared the truth with kindness and humility.

Bless you for that....

 

[Me Myself]

There are many behaviors which humans engage in which we prefer not to call sin, but the scriptures say otherwise. I certainly would not have called many of the things I've done sin, but then I'm not the Creator. Your disagreement is with God' word.

Nope, with the bible actualy.

Jesus did so too and more than once.

I am God (read it from Jesus in John) and I know that some parts of the scripture change over time (like eating pork) and understanding.

This is the case of homosexuality.

 

[yourgraceisenough]

Nope, with the bible actualy.

Jesus did so too and more than once.

I am God (read it from Jesus in John) and I know that some parts of the scripture change over time (like eating pork) and understanding.

This is the case of homosexuality.

The word of God is set against homosexuality from the first few pages of scripture, the laws which were set for a certain time and people can and have changed...

 

[InChrist]

Nope, with the bible actualy.

Jesus did so too and more than once.

I am God (read it from Jesus in John) and I know that some parts of the scripture change over time (like eating pork) and understanding.

This is the case of homosexuality.

Did you just say you are God? I think you read the Bible much differently than I do.

 

[Me Myself]

Did you just say you are God? I think you read the Bible much differently than I do.

I did say it. According to Jesus you may say it too. John 10:34-36

 

[yourgraceisenough]

but you shall die like men it refers back to psalms 82vs 6....

the quote is when Jesus is being accused...

 

[InChrist]

I did say it. According to Jesus you may say it too. John 10:34-36

[FONT=&quot]In the book of John, Jesus was quoting from Psalm 82 which is condemning those who were wicked judges and setting themselves up as gods over people's lives.

God stands in the congregation of the mighty;
He judges among the gods.
2 How long will you judge unjustly,
And show partiality to the wicked? Selah
3 Defend the poor and fatherless;
Do justice to the afflicted and needy.
4 Deliver the poor and needy;
Free them from the hand of the wicked.

5 They do not know, nor do they understand;
They walk about in darkness;
All the foundations of the earth are unstable.

6 I said, “You are gods,
And all of you are children of the Most High.
7 But you shall die like men,
And fall like one of the princes.” Psalm 82:1-7[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]There is only one God. “ Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. Isaiah 45;22


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[Me Myself]

[FONT=&quot]In the book of John, Jesus was quoting from Psalm 82 which is condemning those who were wicked judges and setting themselves up as gods over people's lives.

God stands in the congregation of the mighty;
He judges among the gods.
2 How long will you judge unjustly,
And show partiality to the wicked? Selah
3 Defend the poor and fatherless;
Do justice to the afflicted and needy.
4 Deliver the poor and needy;
Free them from the hand of the wicked.

5 They do not know, nor do they understand;
They walk about in darkness;
All the foundations of the earth are unstable.

6 I said, “You are gods,
And all of you are children of the Most High.
7 But you shall die like men,
And fall like one of the princes.” Psalm 82:1-7[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]There is only one God. “ Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. Isaiah 45;22


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And even when there is no other, Jesus is god. When the jews wanted to kill him because of it he cited that very psalm to remember them that it was in the scriptures that we are all gods.

In any case, the thing is simple, Jesus has chalenged scripture more than once, because some things change with time.

Pork was once bad and it still reads so in the bible. Now it is not bad.

This happens because scriptures where made for the man not the man for the scriptures, the same way the sabath was made for man and not man for the sabath.

This is why times have changed and homosexuality should no longer be considered sinful.

This is because homosexuals can love God among all else and everyone as Jesus loved them. Their sexual lifes have nothing to do with it as if only scripture is against it then it is nothing that hasn´t changed before for the greater good.

Jesus set an example, he said we are all gods. He taught us forgiveness. He taught us love and acceptance.

Even more, if Jesus accepted prostitutes to come to him, wouldn´t they cease to be prostitutes when coming to him? but they were not "former prostitutes" they were prostitutes. So they were learning with him even thoguh their ongoing job and life was what the OT would call sin.

You can understand this in 2 ways:

1- Jesus didn´t see prostitution as a sin

2- Even if they were sinners who persisted in sin, they needed his words and were allowed to hear what he said.


If either point 1 or point 2 is correct, homosexuals should be allowed in churches even if they are married.

Otherwise, you are not loving all the same way Jesus did.

 

[yourgraceisenough]

And even when there is no other, Jesus is god. When the jews wanted to kill him because of it he cited that very psalm to remember them that it was in the scriptures that we are all gods.

In any case, the thing is simple, Jesus has chalenged scripture more than once, because some things change with time.

Pork was once bad and it still reads so in the bible. Now it is not bad.

This happens because scriptures where made for the man not the man for the scriptures, the same way the sabath was made for man and not man for the sabath.

This is why times have changed and homosexuality should no longer be considered sinful.

This is because homosexuals can love God among all else and everyone as Jesus loved them. Their sexual lifes have nothing to do with it as if only scripture is against it then it is nothing that hasn´t changed before for the greater good.

Jesus set an example, he said we are all gods. He taught us forgiveness. He taught us love and acceptance.

Even more, if Jesus accepted prostitutes to come to him, wouldn´t they cease to be prostitutes when coming to him? but they were not "former prostitutes" they were prostitutes. So they were learning with him even thoguh their ongoing job and life was what the OT would call sin.

You can understand this in 2 ways:

1- Jesus didn´t see prostitution as a sin

2- Even if they were sinners who persisted in sin, they needed his words and were allowed to hear what he said.


If either point 1 or point 2 is correct, homosexuals should be allowed in churches even if they are married.

Otherwise, you are not loving all the same way Jesus did.

you are wrong, the bible stands against homosexuality from the very begining when one man and one woman were told to go forth and fill the Earth. the theme continues through out the bible...

some rules were for a certain time, people and place and have been fulfilled or finished...

 

[Me Myself]

you are wrong, the bible stands against homosexuality from the very begining when one man and one woman were told to go forth and fill the Earth. the theme continues through out the bible..

This is not against what I said, so your affirmation of

you are wrong

Doesn´t address any of my arguments.

Basically you´ve refuted nothing from what I´ve said

 

[yourgraceisenough]

by the prostitute...I assume you mean when his feet were washed with oil, it never actually says she was a prostitute, it does say she was a sinner, he forgives her sins and tells her to go in peace, If he knew she would turn away from her sin, thats perfectly ok...

 

[Me Myself]

by the prostitute...I assume you mean when his feet were washed with oil, it never actually says she was a prostitute, it does say she was a sinner, he forgives her sins and tells her to go in peace, If he knew she would turn away from her sin, thats perfectly ok...

I advice you re-read my post if you want to adress each point respectively.

It´s a long post with more than one argument on the subject being discussed ...

 

[yourgraceisenough]

This is not against what I said, so your affirmation of




Doesn´t address any of my arguments.

Basically you´ve refuted nothing from what I´ve said

your arguements are straw man arguements, just because some levitical laws on diet have changed it does not mean the whole will of God has changed...

the bible from the start has said one man and one woman in procreation and in marriage...
homosexuality has been classed as sin, so if you have zero intention of turning away from that sin you are fooling yourself about getting saved...

 

[Me Myself]

your arguements are straw man arguements, just because some levitical laws on diet have changed it does not mean the whole will of God has changed...

the bible from the start has said one man and one woman in procreation and in marriage...
homosexuality has been classed as sin, so if you have zero intention of turning away from that sin you are fooling yourself about getting saved...

I agree that not all law has been changed. But certanly some has.

The bible also said from start that the woman would suffer in labour (now cesarea is posible so is not necesary to suffer) and that she would be subjugated to man eternally.

Machism is supported much more enphatically and throghout the whole bible even more than hate towards homosexuality is. So if we decided on equality on gender for women even though the whole bible talks against it, then we can too decide that homosexuality is not a sin.