How the chickens learned the need to sit on it's eggs ?

[ImmortalFlame]

it isn't my problem if you need to see god by your eyes doing stuff in order for you to believe,but for me i realize him by his signs which make sense to me than the random mutations.

Because, as I have repeatedly explained, you clearly don't understand how evolution works. Nor have you made any effort to understand it. I and others on here have made repeated collective efforts to explain to you how evolution works, and yet you still fail to grasp basic notions such as "natural selection is not random". If you understood evolution, then perhaps you could at the very least see why your assumptions are wrong. You may not cease believing in God or creation - I have absolutely no interest in your personal theistic beliefs - but you may at least be able to understand how this notion that, to you, "it's obvious" is completely asinine.

Yes because you want to see god doing stuff and not realizing his power and effect around us.

Can you demonstrate his power and affect around us? No? Then stop saying it.

Because aint a child,but yes the child can understand such nonsense.:yes:

You're not qualified to call something "nonsense" if you clearly don't understand it.

The species always do survive and the ancestors lived millions of years before tiny gradual progression occurred,so your reasoning that nature favor reproduction and survival is wrong because the species was always reproducing and surviving otherwise there will be no evolution.

Thank you for just proving what I said above. Tell me: how do you think evolution works?

So if we talk a bout natural selection as for the better ones then we are speaking about a wise ******* intelligent universe and which is not.

No, we are not. We're talking about environments.

Just you need to imagine and analyze things in your mind.

See, it's this position of yours that I'm "not thinking things through" that really bugs me when you don't understand the first thing about how evolution works. Honestly, this kind of unfounded arrogance is incomprehensible to me. I may be arrogant, but at least I can easily display that I understand the arguments on both sides of the debate. You've shown none, in spite of many people on here trying to explain it to you.

There were several pages either in this (I think I may have been this thread in the "which came first" thread) in which you and I had a perfectly reasonable back and forth in which you asked questions, and I answered them. You asked me to elucidate, and I did. I really felt we were getting somewhere, and felt that you were really showing that you were beginning to understand how evolution works - even if you don't agree with it. But here you've proven that that entire exchange was for nothing. You have no understanding of evolution, and you clearly are not trying to. You have your preconceived notions, and no amount of reasoning or understanding will dislodge you from your position. Take a good long look at your own signature and tell me, honestly, whether you truly believe you should be considered a suitable exponent for it.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I hope that your goodself will recognise the double standard. You demand evidence yet you assert "....all of them have a perfectly viable non-God related origin". As if you have perfect knowledge of the origin of life.

Actually, no. What I asserted is that they have a non-God related origin. I did not say I have "perfect knowledge of the origin of life", whatever the hell that means. I simply stated that there are origins for these things which do not require a God. That's not a double-standard, that's a statement of fact. Science can explain their origin.

I clarify that I am not backing the "Intelligent Designer" idea. Yet, IMO, there is a great confusion, intentional or ignorant, between 'Origin of Species' and 'Origin of Intelligent Life'. Darwin did not theorise about 'Origin of Life'. He was honest that the origin of life itself was an unknown. But he held that the grand diversification of one or a few life forms followed simple rules, as desribed in 'Origin of Species' .

I know. And...? The point remains that science has explained the origin of them and has explanations of origins which do not require a God.

 

[chinu]

I know. You search for the only chicken that is not wearing a cap and when you find that you have found him. :yes:

Found Him ?
But he's looking for HER
He's not looking for her husband.. loll

 

[atanu]

Actually, no. .... there are origins for these things which do not require a God. That's not a double-standard, that's a statement of fact. Science can explain their origin.

So you claim that science can explain life and its origin? Then what else is there for science to know? Go ahead and manufacture intelligent life.

Can you show us which science has known the origin of life?

 

[chinu]

How the chickens learned the need to sit on it's eggs ?

Lol.. what a big deal if one is sitting quietly ? people can't even tolerate someone sitting quietly

 

[chinu]

Can you show us which science has known the origin of life?

I think, he means spiritual science

 

[atanu]

...people can't even tolerate someone sitting quietly

Don't act so innocent, while farting silently while apparently sitting quietly.

 

[atanu]

I think, he means spiritual science

Yaaa. But he cannot accept that.

 

[atanu]

Couldn't you just give me his phone number instead?

Sure. Write it down. buckbuckbuckumbuckumbuckbuckumbuck. Hope you noted it correctly.

 

[FearGod]

Because, as I have repeatedly explained, you clearly don't understand how evolution works. Nor have you made any effort to understand it. I and others on here have made repeated collective efforts to explain to you how evolution works, and yet you still fail to grasp basic notions such as "natural selection is not random". If you understood evolution, then perhaps you could at the very least see why your assumptions are wrong. You may not cease believing in God or creation - I have absolutely no interest in your personal theistic beliefs - but you may at least be able to understand how this notion that, to you, "it's obvious" is completely asinine.


Can you demonstrate his power and affect around us? No? Then stop saying it.




You're not qualified to call something "nonsense" if you clearly don't understand it.




Thank you for just proving what I said above. Tell me: how do you think evolution works?


No, we are not. We're talking about environments.


See, it's this position of yours that I'm "not thinking things through" that really bugs me when you don't understand the first thing about how evolution works. Honestly, this kind of unfounded arrogance is incomprehensible to me. I may be arrogant, but at least I can easily display that I understand the arguments on both sides of the debate. You've shown none, in spite of many people on here trying to explain it to you.

There were several pages either in this (I think I may have been this thread in the "which came first" thread) in which you and I had a perfectly reasonable back and forth in which you asked questions, and I answered them. You asked me to elucidate, and I did. I really felt we were getting somewhere, and felt that you were really showing that you were beginning to understand how evolution works - even if you don't agree with it. But here you've proven that that entire exchange was for nothing. You have no understanding of evolution, and you clearly are not trying to. You have your preconceived notions, and no amount of reasoning or understanding will dislodge you from your position. Take a good long look at your own signature and tell me, honestly, whether you truly believe you should be considered a suitable exponent for it.

i know it but believing it to be nonsense.

For you, it is randomness,ah sorry,random mutations to be specific but for me it is a well planned and designed mutations made by the science of the creator and not the science of the dice.

It started from a single cell to more complex one through millions millions millions of years

 

[camanintx]

But he asked you to do it and not merely show it.

I did, twice, about 15 years ago.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

i know it but believing it to be nonsense.

For you, it is randomness,ah sorry,random mutations to be specific but for me it is a well planned and designed mutations made by the science of the creator and not the science of the dice.

You've completely contradicted yourself. You said you understood, then demonstrated you have no understanding whatsoever by claiming "it is randomness". It isn't. Mutations are, natural selection isn't. You need both in order to have evolution. This is incredibly simple to understand.

It started from a single cell to more complex one through millions millions millions of years

Congratulations. You've shown absolutely zero actual understanding of the concept of evolution, and those images you've posted tell me nothing.

I want you to explain to me, in brief and in your own words, what you think evolution is and how it supposedly occurs. This is the most straightforward question I can possibly ask you on this subject. If you fail to answer it again, I will assume that I am right and you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

So you claim that science can explain life and its origin?

Of course it can.

Then what else is there for science to know? Go ahead and manufacture intelligent life.

Ugh. Just because we can't make something doesn't mean we can't explain its natural origin. That's completely asinine.

Can you show us which science has known the origin of life?

I didn't say that. I said science has explanations for their origin. I never claimed we know what their origin is. I said science CAN explain it. This is a distinction I made in my previous post.

 

[FearGod]

You've completely contradicted yourself. You said you understood, then demonstrated you have no understanding whatsoever by claiming "it is randomness". It isn't. Mutations are, natural selection isn't. You need both in order to have evolution. This is incredibly simple to understand.

Did i say other than mutations are randomness,but i think you have difficulty to understand what im saying.

i repeated it many times that i understand it and believe it to be rubbish as an explanation to our existance,can't you understand that i am creationist.

Congratulations. You've shown absolutely zero actual understanding of the concept of evolution, and those images you've posted tell me nothing.

I want you to explain to me, in brief and in your own words, what you think evolution is and how it supposedly occurs. This is the most straightforward question I can possibly ask you on this subject. If you fail to answer it again, I will assume that I am right and you have no idea what you are talking about.

Again you have difficulties to understand what i am saying but it is better then to copy and paste the same words from an article by Ker Than.

All Species Evolved From Single Cell, Study Finds

All life on Earth evolved from a single-celled organism that lived roughly 3.5 billion years ago, a new study seems to confirm.

The study supports the widely held "universal common ancestor" theory first proposed by Charles Darwin more than 150 years ago

Reference : http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/05/100513-science-evolution-darwin-single-ancestor/

 

[atanu]

....when all of them have a perfectly viable non-God related origin?
inIt's not enough to just say something, you have to demonstrate it.
.

1. I suppose that this is a discussion on TOE. I do not understand how TOE has ever established the origin of intelligent life.

2. Assuming such to be the case, I asked you to demonstrate the perfect viable origin. You gave me the following.

Of course it can.
Ugh. Just because we can't make something doesn't mean we can't explain its natural origin. That's completely asinine.

When you use words such as asinine to describe views of others, I actually see you gritting teeth, bp shooting up. Cool down.

BTW, what is 'natural origin'? How is it different from saying 'God origin'? 'Nature' usually means nature something or someone. Nature has no stand alone locus.

I didn't say that. I said science has explanations for their origin. I never claimed we know what their origin is. I said science CAN explain it. This is a distinction I made in my previous post.

You said 'perfectly viable non-God related origin?'. So, demonstrate the perfect explanation of origin of life and intelligence. Do not give hypothesis. And do not claim that TOE is about origin of life.

 

[atanu]

I did, twice, about 15 years ago.

I see.

 

[Alceste]

Just a little nudge to remind you that there is a bit of a feeding frenzy happening.

I could easily imagine many of you arguing that evolution is randomness and chance in another context.

Integrity please.

No, I've been here a while. The evolution advocates are very consistent. It's the concept itself that seems paradoxical until you understand it.

Genetic drift is mostly caused by copying errors in sexual reproduction, although it can also be caused by viruses or other environmental factors. "Mutation" is a misleading term for genetic drift, since changing allele frequencies usually result in no visible change to the organism. Most of these changes are neutral - they have no impact on a creature's ability to survive and reproduce. Some are negative in that respect and others are positive. No single genetic mutation will cause a major difference in the appearance of a species, though, like sprouting wings.

That is where the randomness ends and evolution kicks in. The theory describes the cumulative effect of thousands of these tiny, incremental changes that have each been marginally beneficial to a creature's fitness for survival and reproduction. There is no randomness here.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

Did i say other than mutations are randomness,but i think you have difficulty to understand what im saying.

i repeated it many times that i understand it and believe it to be rubbish as an explanation to our existance,can't you understand that i am creationist.



Again you have difficulties to understand what i am saying but it is better then to copy and paste the same words from an article by Ker Than.

All Species Evolved From Single Cell, Study Finds

All life on Earth evolved from a single-celled organism that lived roughly 3.5 billion years ago, a new study seems to confirm.

The study supports the widely held "universal common ancestor" theory first proposed by Charles Darwin more than 150 years ago

Reference : http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/05/100513-science-evolution-darwin-single-ancestor/

FearGod you truly need to examine your own signature.
The very National Geographic article that you cite states, and mathematically demonstrates, how tenuous a a grip creationist mythologies have on reality. They even put it in the first line under the title of the article.

"Stubborn and ardent clinging to one's opinion is the best proof of stupidity."
Michel de Montaigne

 

[FearGod]

FearGod you truly need to examine your own signature.
The very National Geographic article that you cite states, and mathematically demonstrates, how tenuous a a grip creationist mythologies have on reality. They even put it in the first line under the title of the article.

"Stubborn and ardent clinging to one's opinion is the best proof of stupidity."
Michel de Montaigne

Huh,yes i am clinging to the power of God and i believe that he does exist but you believe on random mutations and natural selection.

it is really funny and even pathetic the way you think.

i have the same problem with the trinitarian asking them to explain how god is 3 persons and the same responce,their answers was "you don't understand anything and that i don't know how it works"

A lot of amazing things here and there that i have even found people to think that they are just illusions,others thought they are gods,OMG

 

[Alceste]

Huh,yes i am clinging to the power of God and i believe that he does exist but you believe on random mutations and natural selection.

it is really funny and even pathetic the way you think.

i have the same problem with the trinitarian asking them to explain how god is 3 persons and the same responce,their answers was "you don't understand anything and that i don't know how it works"

A lot of amazing things here and there that i have even found people to think that they are just illusions,others thought they are gods,OMG

The fact of evolution has nothing to do with God. Many theists also accept evolution.