How to Account for Differences in Health Outcomes of Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated Children?

[Nous]

In 2013, the Institute of Medicine (now the National Academy of Medicine) advised that:

. . . few studies have comprehensively assessed the association between the entire immunization schedule or variations in the overall schedule and categories of health outcomes [e.g., “allergy and asthma, autoimmunity, autism, other neurodevelopmental disorders (e.g., learning disabilities, tics, behavioral disorders, and intellectual disabilities), seizures, and epilepsy”], and no study has directly examined health outcomes and stakeholder concerns in precisely the way that the committee was charged to address in its statement of task. No studies have compared the differences in health outcomes that some stakeholders questioned between entirely unimmunized populations of children and fully immunized children.​

The following study by Mawson et al., published last month, was conducted with the goal of filling some of the gaps noted by the IOM:

Pilot comparative study on the health of vaccinated and unvaccinated 6- to 12-year-old U.S. children

Abstract

Vaccinations have prevented millions of infectious illnesses, hospitalizations and deaths among U.S. children, yet the long-term health outcomes of the vaccination schedule remain uncertain. Studies have been recommended by the U.S. Institute of Medicine to address this question. This study aimed 1) to compare vaccinated and unvaccinated children on a broad range of health outcomes, and 2) to determine whether an association found between vaccination and neurodevelopmental disorders (NDD), if any, remained significant after adjustment for other measured factors. A cross-sectional study of mothers of children educated at home was carried out in collaboration with homeschool organizations in four U.S. states: Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi and Oregon. Mothers were asked to complete an anonymous online questionnaire on their 6- to 12-year-old biological children with respect to pregnancy-related factors, birth history, vaccinations, physician-diagnosed illnesses, medications used, and health services. NDD, a derived diagnostic measure, was defined as having one or more of the following three closely-related diagnoses: a learning disability, Attention Deficient Hyperactivity Disorder, and Autism Spectrum Disorder. A convenience sample of 666 children was obtained, of which 261 (39%) were unvaccinated. The vaccinated were less likely than the unvaccinated to have been diagnosed with chickenpox and pertussis, but more likely to have been diagnosed with pneumonia, otitis media, allergies and NDD. After adjustment, vaccination, male gender, and preterm birth remained significantly associated with NDD. However, in a final adjusted model with interaction, vaccination but not preterm birth remained associated with NDD, while the interaction of preterm birth and vaccination was associated with a 6.6-fold increased odds of NDD (95% CI: 2.8, 15.5). In conclusion, vaccinated homeschool children were found to have a higher rate of allergies and NDD than unvaccinated homeschool children. While vaccination remained significantly associated with NDD after controlling for other factors, preterm birth coupled with vaccination was associated with an apparent synergistic increase in the odds of NDD. Further research involving larger, independent samples and stronger research designs is needed to verify and understand these unexpected findings in order to optimize the impact of vaccines on children’s health.​

The authors were unsurprisingly able to account for the lower rates of chickenpox and pertussis among vaccinated children: the vaccines protected them from these infections.

The authors also cite informative evidence that seemingly can explain the higher odds ratios of otitis media and use of ear drainage tubes among the vaccinated (almost 4 fold and 8 fold higher respectively) compared to unvaccinated children:

Numerous reports of AOM [acute otitis media] have been filed with VAERS. A search of VAERS for “Cases where age is under 1 and onset interval is 0 or 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or 7 days and Symptom is otitis media” [63] revealed that 438,573 cases were reported between 1990 and 2011, often with fever and other signs and symptoms of inflammation and central nervous system involvement. One study [64] assessed the nasopharyngeal carriage of S. pneumoniae, H. influenzae, and M. catarrhalis during AOM in fully immunized, partly immunized children with 0 or 1 dose of Pneumococcal Conjugate Vaccine-7 (PCV7), and “historical control” children from the pre-PCV-7 era, and found an increased frequency of M. catarrhalis colonization in the vaccinated group compared to the partly immunized and control groups (76% vs. 62% and 56%, respectively). A high rate of Moraxella catarrhalis colonization is associated with an increased risk of AOM [65].

Successful vaccination against pneumococcal infections can lead to replacement of the latter in the nasopharyngeal niche by nonvaccine pneumococcal serotypes and disease [66]. Vaccination with PCV-7 has a marked effect on the complete microbiota composition of the upper respiratory tract in children, going beyond shifts in the distribution of pneumococcal serotypes and known potential pathogens and resulting in increased anaerobes, gram-positive bacteria and gramnegative bacterial species. PCV-7 administration also correlates highly with the emergence and expansion of oropharyngeal types of species. These observations have suggested that eradication of vaccine serotype pneumococci can be followed by colonization of other bacterial species in the vacant nasopharyngeal niche, leading to disequilibria of bacterial composition (dysbiosis) and increased risks of otitis media. Long-term monitoring has been recommended as essential for understanding the full implications of vaccination-induced changes in microbiota structure [67].​

Mawson et al. point out that the rates of ADHD and LD among vaccinated children and NDD in vaccinated males are comparable to CDC's findings of national rates. The similarities of these rates make it difficult to argue that the rates among vaccinated children in the Mawson et al. study are due to some factor alien to non-homeschooled children.

Eventually the authors note:

Although the cross-sectional design of the study limits causal interpretation, the strength and consistency of the findings, the apparent “dose-response” relationship between vaccination status and several forms of chronic illness, and the significant association between vaccination and NDDs all support the possibility that some aspect of the current vaccination program could be contributing to risks of childhood morbidity. Vaccination also remained significantly associated with NDD after controlling for other factors, whereas preterm birth, long considered a major risk factor for NDD, was not associated with NDD after controlling for the interaction between preterm birth and vaccination. In addition, preterm birth coupled with vaccination was associated with an apparent synergistic increase in the odds of NDD above that of vaccination alone.​

So how can one account for these findings?

 

[Nous]

Mawson et al. do not speculate about what possible “aspect of the current vaccination program could be contributing to risks of childhood morbidity”. However, in the introductory paragraphs they affirm that “safe levels and and longterm effects of vaccine ingredients such as adjuvants and preservatives are . . .unknown,” referencing a recent review paper by Dorea:

Exposure to Mercury and Aluminum in Early Life: Developmental Vulnerability as a Modifying Factor in Neurologic and Immunologic Effects

Immunological and neurobehavioral effects of Thimerosal-EtHg [ethylmercury] and Al [aluminum]-adjuvants are not extraordinary; rather, these effects are easily detected in high and low income countries, with co-exposure to methylmercury (MeHg) or other neurotoxicants. Rigorous and replicable studies (in different animal species) have shown evidence of EtHg and Al toxicities. More research attention has been given to EtHg and findings have showed a solid link with neurotoxic effects in humans; however, the potential synergic effect of both toxic agents has not been properly studied.
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Professor Dorea cites several studies directly refuting claims currently found on CDC's website. For instance, repeating one of the most famous canards about the alleged rapid elimination of thimerosal/ethylmercury, CDC asserts:

Thimerosal contains ethylmercury, which is cleared from the human body more quickly than methylmercury, and is therefore less likely to cause any harm.

[. . .]

The human body eliminates thimerosal easily.

Thimerosal does not stay in the body a long time so it does not build up and reach harmful levels. When thimerosal enters the body, it breaks down to ethylmercury and thiosalicylate, which are readily eliminated.
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Dorea:

EtHg is eliminated from infant blood more rapidly than MeHg [33], and blood biomarkers of exposure are, therefore, inherently less precise. As a consequence, compared with MeHg (which is retained in hair), a problem in epidemiological studies of non-persistent hair-EtHg is that imprecise assessment in non-invasive tissues makes exposure difficult to measure and obscures associations usually found for MeHg [14,34]. Human studies indicate that, once de-alkylated, the brain-retained Hg2+ species has a half-life of several years to decades following exposure [35].
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Reference 35 provides essential information that should be known to anyone writing about the elimination of ethylmercury from human body: The retention time of inorganic mercury in the brain--a systematic review of the evidence

Reports from human case studies indicate a half-life for inorganic mercury in the brain in the order of years--contradicting older radioisotope studies that estimated half-lives in the order of weeks to months in duration. This study systematically reviews available evidence on the retention time of inorganic mercury in humans and primates to better understand this conflicting evidence. A broad search strategy was used to capture 16,539 abstracts on the Pubmed database. Abstracts were screened to include only study types containing relevant information. 131 studies of interest were identified. Only 1 primate study made a numeric estimate for the half-life of inorganic mercury (227-540 days). Eighteen human mercury poisoning cases were followed up long term including autopsy. Brain inorganic mercury concentrations at death were consistent with a half-life of several years or longer. 5 radionucleotide studies were found, one of which estimated head half-life (21 days). This estimate has sometimes been misinterpreted to be equivalent to brain half-life-which ignores several confounding factors including limited radioactive half-life and radioactive decay from surrounding tissues including circulating blood. No autopsy cohort study estimated a half-life for inorganic mercury, although some noted bioaccumulation of brain mercury with age. Modelling studies provided some extreme estimates (69 days vs 22 years). Estimates from modelling studies appear sensitive to model assumptions, however predications based on a long half-life (27.4 years) are consistent with autopsy findings. In summary, shorter estimates of half-life are not supported by evidence from animal studies, human case studies, or modelling studies based on appropriate assumptions. Evidence from such studies point to a half-life of inorganic mercury in human brains of several years to several decades. This finding carries important implications for pharmcokinetic modelling of mercury and potentially for the regulatory toxicology of mercury.
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There is no honorable reason for the CDC to blatantly misrepresent the scientific findings on the elimination of ethylmercury (as Rooney explains, “ethyl-mercury and methyl-mercury are all metabolised to inorganic mercury within the brain (Burbacher et al., 2005; Dórea et al., 2013; Vahter et al., 1994)”), nor to falsely claim, on the basis of this misrepresentation, that ethylmercury is “therefore less likely to cause any harm.” Even if the CDC's claim--that ethylmercury is “less likely” than methylmercury to cause harm--were true, it still doesn't justify administering toxic doses of thimerosal to fetuses, infants and toddlers. Being less likely than methylmercury to cause harm to children is not a compliment to any heavy metal. We would all be better off if only the CDC were less likely than methylmercury to cause harm to children.

Under the current vaccine regime infants and children in the US can be exposed to levels of Thimerosal almost as high as children were during the 1990s, and fetuses are often exposed to much greater amounts. This is accomplished not just by those vaccines that continue to contain thimerosal as a preservative, but also by the presence of “residual” amounts of thimerosal used in the manufacturing process, up to 0.3 mcg per dose, a fact that CDC included on its website as recently as 2011.

Abundant studies have established neurotoxic effects in a variety of animals (e.g., mice, rats, primates, prairie voles) in response to thimerosal in weight-adjusted amounts equivalent to those that children receive through the vaccine schedule:

Lasting neuropathological changes in rat brain after intermittent neonatal administration of thimerosal

In previous publications we described behavioural and neurochemical anomalies in rats which in the early postnatal period received four vaccination-like THIM injections [33-35]. Some changes (impaired pain reaction, dysfunctional opioid system, locomotor deficits, enhanced anxiety) appeared already at the THIM dose of 12 µg Hg/kg, which is in the order of doses still present in some paediatric vaccines. Here we report widespread neuropathological changes in brains of rats which received postnatal THIM injections at doses of 12 µg Hg/kg or higher.
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And:

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Prenatal exposure to organomercury, thimerosal, persistently impairs the serotonergic and dopaminergic systems in the rat brain: Implications for association with developmental disorders

In this study, we demonstrated that prenatal exposure to thimerosal on E9 [gestational day 9] caused a significant increase in 5-HT and DA content in the brains of adult rats. This finding indicates that prenatal thimerosal exposure may cause lasting neurochemical impairments to the serotonergic and dopaminergic systems.

Prenatal exposure to thimerosal has been shown to alter early embryonic development of 5-HT in our previous study [11]. These findings, together with those of the present study, suggest that a single prenatal exposure to thimerosal causes irreversible and critical effects to the brain serotonergic system. Persistent effects caused by a single prenatal exposure to chemicals are not, however, surprising because we have previously reported that prenatal exposure on E9 to thalidomide or VPA, chemicals known to induce autism when exposed at E9 [17,18], also induced increased hippocampal 5-HT in the adult brains of rats at P50 [12,13]. In thalidomide or VPA experiments, behavioral abnormalities in rats closely mimicked human autism [14]. Importantly, we also showed that abnormalities in 5-HT content caused by prenatal thalidomide exposure were time-specific (i.e., on E9). Therefore, the present result that exposure to thimerosal on E9 caused 5-HT abnormalities is consistent with previous findings.
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Hewitson et al. found that in male macaques who, within 24 hours of birth, were administered a single Hepatitis B vaccine containing a weight-adjusted dose of thimerosal, there were significant delays in the acquisition of root, snout and suck reflexes, in contrast to the unexposed animals, who exhibited no delays in neonatal reflexes: Delayed Acquisition of Neonatal Reflexes in Newborn Primates Receiving A Thimerosal-Containing Hepatitis B Vaccine: Influence of Gestational Age and Birth Weight

In vitro studies too numerous to cite have demonstrated various toxic effects of thimerosal on neurons and DNA. Baskin et al. found that cultured cerebral cortical neurons and normal human fibroblasts incubated in micromolar concentrations of thimerosal rapidly (within 2-6 hours) induced membrane damage, DNA breakage and cell death. Thimerosal Induces DNA Breaks, Caspase-3 Activation, Membrane Damage and Cell Death in Cultured Human Neurons and Fibroblasts

An experiment by Geier et al., showed that at nanomolar concentrations, thimerosal induced “significant cellular toxicity in human neuron and fetal cells. Thimerosal-induced cellular cytotoxicity similar to that observed in pathophysiological studies of patients diagnosed with [autistic disorders]. Namely, in both cases, there was evidence of mitochondrial dysfunction, reduced cellular oxidative– reduction activity, cell death, and cell degeneration.” Mitochondrial dysfunction, impaired oxidative-reduction activity, degeneration, and death in human neuronal and fetal cells induced by low-level exposure to thimerosal and other metal compounds

 

[Nous]

Additionally, children are injected with much higher amounts of adjuvant-aluminum than in the past, the well documented neurotoxicity of which is not even mentioned on the CDC's website.

Aluminum vaccine adjuvants: are they safe?

During the course of the last 30 years, the number of officially scheduled vaccines deemed necessary for children in the U.S. has increased sharply, from 10 in the 1980s to 32 in the late 2000s, 18 of which contain aluminum adjuvants [11]. The issue of vaccine safety thus becomes even more pertinent given that, to the best of our knowledge, no adequate clinical studies have been conducted to establish the safety of concomitant administration of two experimentally-established neurotoxins, aluminum and mercury, the latter in the form of ethyl mercury (thimerosal) in infants and children. Since these molecules negatively affect many of the same biochemical processes and enzymes implicated in the etiology of autism, the potential for a synergistic toxic action is plausible [31, 47]. Additionally, for the purpose of evaluating safety and efficacy, vaccine clinical trials often use an aluminium-containing placebo, either containing the same or greater amount of aluminum as the test vaccine [48-51]. Without exception, these trials report a comparable rate of adverse reactions between the placebo and the vaccine group (for example, 63.7% vs 65.3% of systemic events and 1.7% vs 1.8% of serious adverse events respectively [51]). According to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), a placebo is “an inactive pill, liquid, or powder that has no treatment value” [52]. The well-established neurotoxic properties of aluminium (Table 1) therefore suggest that aluminum cannot constitute as a valid placebo.

In 1965, Klatzo et al. [38] demonstrated that aluminum phosphate, the primary constituent of Holt’s adjuvant, induced degeneration and neurofibrillary tangle-like histological changes in neurons (a hallmark feature of Alzheimer’s disease), when injected intracerebrally into rabbits. The aluminum-injected animals also suffered from convulsions [38]. While direct application of aluminum adjuvants to the central nervous system (CNS) is unquestionably neurotoxic [37, 38, 40, 42], little is known about aluminum transport into and out of the CNS, its toxicokinetics, and the impact on different neuronal subpopulations following subcutaneous or intramuscular injections. The reason for this is that under current regulatory policies, evaluation of pharmacokinetic properties is not required for vaccines [53]. This issue is of special concern in context to worldwide mass immunization practices involving children whose nervous systems are undergoing rapid development. Furthermore, an immature developing blood brain barrier (BBB) is more permeable to toxic substances than that of an adult [16, 54]. In addition, there are critical periods in neurodevelopment that occur within first few years of postnatal life during which exposure to neurotoxic insults may induce CNS damage [16, 47, 55]. In that respect, it is worth noting that any potential CNS damage caused by aluminum in children may not be evident until a later stage of development [16].

Bishop et al. [32] have shown that, parenteral exposure to as little as 20 μg/kg bw of aluminum for >10 days may result in longterm detrimental outcomes in neurologic development in preterm infants. In 2004, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) set a limit for aluminum from parenteral sources for individuals with impaired kidney function and premature neonates at no greater than 4 to 5 μg/kg bw/day, stating that levels above those have been associated with CNS and bone toxicity [56]. In addition, according to the FDA, tissue loading may occur at even lower levels of administration [56]. What the upper limit for “safe” aluminum exposure might be for healthy neonates is not known.

In spite of these above data, newborns, infants and children up to 6 months of age in the U.S. and other developed countries receive 14.7 to 49 times more than the FDA safety limits for aluminum from parenteral sources from vaccines through mandatory immunization programs (Table 2). Specifically, 2-month old children in U.K., U.S., Canada and Australia routinely receive as much as 220 to 245 μg/kg bw of aluminum per vaccination session (Table 2), a burden equivalent to 34 standard adult-dose injections of hepatitis B vaccine (Table 3). Similarly, newborns at birth receive 73.5 μg Al/kg bw/day from a single hepatitis B vaccine, which is a dose equivalent to 10 standard adult-dose injections of hepatitis B vaccine in a single day (Table 3). Whether such doses of aluminum are safe even for adults is not known. However, detrimental effects associated with multiple vaccinations over a short period of time in U.S. and other Coalition military personnel who developed GWS [Gulf War Syndrome] in an aftermath of only six anthrax vaccine inoculations [5, 6], may suggest that adults in some circumstances are also vulnerable to deleterious CNS effects of adjuvant-aluminum. Notably, these inoculations were not given in a single day but were spread out over several weeks and up to 18 months (Table 3).
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And:

Administration of aluminium to neonatal mice in vaccine-relevant amounts is associated with adverse long term neurological outcomes

Our previous ecological studies of autism spectrum disorder (ASD) has demonstrated a correlation between increasing ASD rates and aluminium (Al) adjuvants in common use in paediatric vaccines in several Western countries. The correlation between ASD rate and Al adjuvant amounts appears to be dose-dependent and satisfies 8 of 9 Hill criteria for causality. We have now sought to provide an animal model to explore potential behavioural phenotypes and central nervous system (CNS) alterations using s.c. injections of Al hydroxide in early postnatal CD-1 mice of both sexes. Injections of a “high” and “low” Al adjuvant levels were designed to correlate to either the U.S. or Scandinavian paediatric vaccine schedules vs. control saline-injected mice. Both male and female mice in the “high Al” group showed significant weight gains following treatment up to sacrifice at 6 months of age. Male mice in the “high Al” group showed significant changes in light–dark box tests and in various measures of behaviour in an open field. Female mice showed significant changes in the light–dark box at both doses, but no significant changes in open field behaviours. These current data implicate Al injected in early postnatal life in some CNS alterations that may be relevant for a better understanding of the aetiology of ASD.​

Obviously there is no rational reason to believe that human fetuses, infants and children (or even adults) are impervious to the well documented neurotoxic effects of ethylmercury and aluminum, including those amounts acquired by complying with the vaccine schedule.

On the basis of the above evidence, I would say that the use of thimerosal and aluminum adjuvants in vaccines probably accounts for the findings of Mawson et al.

 

[George-ananda]

I'm not going to be able to dissect all that technical information, but my initial thought would be the negative effects of vaccination on a population are much less than an unvaccinated population experiencing outbreaks of the diseases they have been vaccinated against.

 

[SunnySara]

That's a lot to read; I didn't even get around to understanding what your intention is with this thread.

But I'll throw in.

Here's Jenny McCarthy, a vocal member of the anti-vaxxer movement:

Hard to argue with that.

 

[Deeje]

Obviously there is no rational reason to believe that human fetuses, infants and children (or even adults) are impervious to the well documented neurotoxic effects of ethylmercury and aluminum, including those amounts acquired by complying with the vaccine schedule.

On the basis of the above evidence, I would say that the use of thimerosal and aluminum adjuvants in vaccines probably accounts for the findings of Mawson et al.

“A new peer-reviewed study comparing health outcomes of vaccinated and unvaccinated children, provisionally published in the journal Frontiers in Public Health and assigned a DOI number (a digital object identifier given by publishers to identify content and provide a persistent link on the internet), confirmed what parents . . . have observed: that completely unvaccinated children have less chronic disease and a lower risk of autism than vaccinated children.”

Study: Unvaccinated Children Healthier Than Vaccinated Kids — Doctors Agree

"The numbers can be very confusing, but this chart accurately shows the difference between the vaccine schedule in 1962, 1983 and 2016 recommended by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control.....

"Most people struggle to believe a vaccine can injure a child. The narrative generally used is that vaccines are “safe and effective.” Yet, the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program is very much alive and well and run by the U.S. government, and has paid more than $3.3 billion for vaccine injury. "

Diabolically dishonest: Lewin Group’s MMR-Autism sibling study

Are we being conned by the ones who stand to gain financially from our ignorance?

 

[SomeRandom]

That's a lot to read; I didn't even get around to understanding what your intention is with this thread.

But I'll throw in.

Here's Jenny McCarthy, a vocal member of the anti-vaxxer movement:

Hard to argue with that.

Whist that is indeed quite the argument, I don't know if I believe an actress with no professional credentials in medicine over you know, qualified doctors with legitimate expertise in those fields. But that's just me. That said, the vaccination schedule for the US is pretty insane. Like how many diseases do you people have!?

 

[Deeje]

I don't know if I believe an actress with no professional credentials in medicine over you know, qualified doctors with legitimate expertise in those fields

A little research will reveal that the orthodox medical practitioners have been acting as little more than pimps for wealthy, money hungry drug companies for decades. Funding for medical research and medical schools comes from big Pharma. They supply the data and the drugs....follow the money trail and you will see why there are no cures and why doctors know their pharmacology, but not how to cure anything. Their "legitimate expertise" is largely confined to the regimes that they are "allowed" to prescribe. They are the reason why medicinal cannabis is still unavailable to many suffering people in this world.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2807683719254669

That said, the vaccination schedule for the US is pretty insane. Like how many diseases do you people have!?

How did US citizens ever survive without this many vaccinations? From just 5 shots in 1962 to 72 in 2016!!!

“It is illogical to exonerate all vaccines, all vaccine ingredients, and the total US vaccine program as a whole, based solely on a handful of epidemiological studies of just one vaccine and one vaccine ingredient. It is akin to claiming that every form of animal protein is beneficial to people, when all you have studied is fish.”— David Kirby, Investigative Journalist

The U.S. is #1 in the world for total vaccines given, and #1 in the world for autism rate (1 in 48 kids), but no one ever mentions this.

Who reaps the financial rewards for those vaccinations? Who takes responsibility for all those damaged kids? Let's guess.

 

[SomeRandom]

A little research will reveal that the orthodox medical practitioners have been acting as little more than pimps for wealthy, money hungry drug companies for decades. Funding for medical research and medical schools comes from big Pharma. They supply the data and the drugs....follow the money trail and you will see why there are no cures and why doctors know their pharmacology, but not how to cure anything. Their "legitimate expertise" is largely confined to the regimes that they are "allowed" to prescribe. They are the reason why medicinal cannabis is still unavailable to many suffering people in this world.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2807683719254669

How did US citizens ever survive without this many vaccinations? From just 5 shots in 1962 to 72 in 2016!!!

“It is illogical to exonerate all vaccines, all vaccine ingredients, and the total US vaccine program as a whole, based solely on a handful of epidemiological studies of just one vaccine and one vaccine ingredient. It is akin to claiming that every form of animal protein is beneficial to people, when all you have studied is fish.”— David Kirby, Investigative Journalist

The U.S. is #1 in the world for total vaccines given, and #1 in the world for autism rate (1 in 48 kids), but no one ever mentions this.

Who reaps the financial rewards for those vaccinations? Who takes responsibility for all those damaged kids? Let's guess.

Ehh I'm not much for conspiracy theories and the link between autism and vaccines has been debunked too many times to count. It's a spectrum anyway so saying the two are linked is like saying computers cause the cold. Yeah which one out of a possible thousand or so?

And I'm sure your generation "survived" without seat belts in cars or helmets on bikes. Except for all the ones who didn't of course. I've heard all the "back in my day you had to survive using nothing but a toothbrush" stories. They're not that impressive tbh.

 

[Poisonshady313]

and #1 in the world for autism rate (1 in 48 kids), but no one ever mentions this.

Where do you get that figure from?

 

[Deeje]

I'm not much for conspiracy theories and the link between autism and vaccines has been debunked too many times to count.

LOL...debunked by whom?

The stats speak for themselves......it is getting harder to deny it, but it doesn't stop them from trying.

It's a spectrum anyway so saying the two are linked is like saying computers cause the cold.

It is a spectrum.....all with the same cause...neurological damage from neuro-toxic substances injected into tiny bodies with immature immune systems. Some are more brain damaged than others is all.

And I'm sure your generation "survived" without seat belts in cars or helmets on bikes. Except for all the ones who didn't of course. I've heard all the "back in my day you had to survive using nothing but a toothbrush" stories. They're not that impressive tbh.

Do you really think babies and young children need 72 shots to stay healthy? Doesn't that seem like a massive amount of expensive overkill? No other nation does this to their children to the extent that the US does.....can you tell me why?

All the vaccinations in the world will not keep them alive into middle age because cancer and heart disease are killing people at an increasingly alarming rate....what is being done about those? They are the two biggest money spinners for big Pharma.
"Give us more money for research!" and we'll keep moving the goal posts to 10 years from now. In the meantime, no cures will ever be produced, but keep those dollars rolling in...."

Fools and their money are soon parted.

Here are the only treatment options for cancer.....and a run down of the costs.

Surgery

Surgery can cost tens of thousands of dollars. Because asbestos-related cancer is rare, precise costs of related surgery cannot be determined. Lung cancer surgery, which is comparable to pleural cancer surgery because of the area being operated on, has an average surgery cost of $39,891.

Chemotherapy
The costs for chemotherapy can vary as well, with some estimates as high as $30,000 over an eight-week period. The average cost for an initial treatment is approximately $7,000. Expenses differ depending on the drugs, the stage of the cancer and other factors specific to each patient.

Radiation
Radiation treatment can also have high costs because sophisticated equipment and machinery is used. The total expense depends on the number of treatments, the type of radiation and the patient's health coverage. Some estimates place the patient cost for radiation therapy at around $2,000 a month. Estimates of costs to insurance companies and Medicare are between $10,000 and $50,000.

Alternative Therapies
In addition to conventional medical treatments, alternative therapies such as acupuncture, chiropractic care and massage may also provide relief. These therapies, which can relieve pain, fatigue and other symptoms, may not be covered by health insurance."

Costs of Chemotherapy & Other Mesothelioma Treatments

• "The price of chemotherapy drugs varies widely, depending on the drug. For example, according to research[3] from the American Society of Clinical Oncology, one course of a drug for chemotherapy for breast cancer can cost about $900-$15,000, depending on the drug(s); and, if growth factor support is added to lessen side effects, that increases costs from more than $4,000 to more than $30,000. According to an article[4] in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute, combination chemotherapy regimens typically used for advanced colorectal cancer can range from almost $12,000 to over $30,000 for an eight-week course, depending on the drugs. But new drugs usually cost more: for example, Adcetris[5] , a recently approved drug that treats recurrences of some types of lymphoma, can cost more than $120,000 for a course of treatment, and so does Yervoy[6] , a new skin cancer drug.
• Medical care required for serious chemotherapy side effects such as anemia, infections and white blood cell problems can add substantially to the total cost. For example, according to information[7] from the American Society of Clinical Oncology, each type of complication cost about $2,000-$4,000 per month in one group of patients studied."

How Much Does Chemotherapy Cost? - CostHelper.com

How successful is chemotherapy in treating cancer?

Senior cancer physician Dr. Charles Moertal of the Mayo Clinic in the U.S. stated, “Our most effective regimens are fraught with risks and side effects and practical problems, and after this price is paid by all the patients we have treated, only a small fraction are rewarded with a transient period of usually incomplete tumor regressions …”
The treatments will set many patients up for a return of their cancers.
Do you recognize a cash cow when you see one?

Not only are their toxic drugs expensive, but many patients die from the treatment, not the cancer.

Kids are paying the price for their toxic vaccinations in unimaginable ways for the rest of their lives.
Its time to wake up people.

 

[Deeje]

Where do you get that figure from?

It is from the link I posted.

The figure is not strictly accurate obviously as it changes depending on the source.

The CDC report is interesting....in 2012. . . .they reported:

"About 1 in 68 children has been identified with autism spectrum disorder (ASD) according to estimates from CDC’s Autism and Developmental Disabilities Monitoring (ADDM) Network."

Facts About ASDs

Here is another.....

"It’s official. Even the conservative US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) states the latest stats show one in 50 US kids now has autism.

This is a startling increase from their 2007 data, which showed one in 88 children with the condition. Boys are also four times as likely to be diagnosed with autism as girls, according to the new data. . . .

The latest statistics mean that between 3-4 percent of US boys now have autism, and the rate is growing. . . .

Consider that about 15 years ago, 1 in 10,000 kids had autism. Ten years ago it was 1 in 1,000, then 1 in 150, 1 in 88 and now 1 in 50.1 This means there’s one child with autism on just about every school bus (one school bus holds about 50 kids). This is beyond tragic and a shocking testimony to the accumulated insults that our modern health care system and lifestyle have on the developing fetus. . . . .

A 2011 review of the peer-reviewed published studies on autism (going all the way back to 1943) revealed numerous documented cases of autism caused by encephalitis following vaccination.5 There are many potential vaccine-related culprits, including the use of toxic adjuvants, the presence of human DNA in vaccines, and the increasing number of vaccines given in a short period of time, any one of which could induce autoantibodies to be formed that may attack self-structures such as the myelin that coats the nerves, disrupting neurological development and function."

Are Genes Really to Blame for Autism?

This is nothing more than pure evil, motivated by greed. The stats don't lie....but people with vested interests do.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

It is from the link I posted.

The figure is not strictly accurate obviously as it changes depending on the source.

The CDC report is interesting....in 2012. . . .they reported:

"About 1 in 68 children has been identified with autism spectrum disorder (ASD) according to estimates from CDC’s Autism and Developmental Disabilities Monitoring (ADDM) Network."

Facts About ASDs

Here is another.....

"It’s official. Even the conservative US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) states the latest stats show one in 50 US kids now has autism.

This is a startling increase from their 2007 data, which showed one in 88 children with the condition. Boys are also four times as likely to be diagnosed with autism as girls, according to the new data. . . .

The latest statistics mean that between 3-4 percent of US boys now have autism, and the rate is growing. . . .

Consider that about 15 years ago, 1 in 10,000 kids had autism. Ten years ago it was 1 in 1,000, then 1 in 150, 1 in 88 and now 1 in 50.1 This means there’s one child with autism on just about every school bus (one school bus holds about 50 kids). This is beyond tragic and a shocking testimony to the accumulated insults that our modern health care system and lifestyle have on the developing fetus. . . . .

A 2011 review of the peer-reviewed published studies on autism (going all the way back to 1943) revealed numerous documented cases of autism caused by encephalitis following vaccination.5 There are many potential vaccine-related culprits, including the use of toxic adjuvants, the presence of human DNA in vaccines, and the increasing number of vaccines given in a short period of time, any one of which could induce autoantibodies to be formed that may attack self-structures such as the myelin that coats the nerves, disrupting neurological development and function."

Are Genes Really to Blame for Autism?

This is nothing more than pure evil, motivated by greed. The stats don't lie....but people with vested interests do.

Sounds like Autism is very fashionable at the moment.

 

[Deeje]

Sounds like Autism is very fashionable at the moment.

"Fashionable"....? I call it unconscionable.

Imagine......15 years ago, 1 in 10,000 kids had autism. Ten years ago it was 1 in 1,000, then 1 in 150, 1 in 88 and now 1 in 50.
Do we have to wait till it's 1 in 5? Something is horribly wrong with the system.....(1 John 5:19)

 

[Poisonshady313]

It is from the link I posted.

The figure is not strictly accurate obviously as it changes depending on the source.

Not strictly accurate? It's not accurate at all. In fact, one might say it's "Diabolically dishonest".

There's no source provided for this figure within the article, and in fact it's not true at all. According to worldatlas.com, Japan has a higher rate of autism than the US. As do the UK, Denmark, and Sweden.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Can either of you just cite a direct source for these rates? @Deeje or @Poisonshady313

 

[Poisonshady313]

Can either of you just cite a direct source for these rates? @Deeje or @Poisonshady313

Specifically regarding Japan:
Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry (DOI: 10.1111/j.1469-7610.2005.01425.x)

Autism rises despite MMR ban in Japan

 

[jonathan180iq]

Specifically regarding Japan:
Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry (DOI: 10.1111/j.1469-7610.2005.01425.x)

Autism rises despite MMR ban in Japan

The abstract alone makes a statistically compelling argument.

Your turn, Deeje.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Diagnosing things has increased at even greater rate than vaccinations.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Who knows if the rise in autism is real or just better diagnosis.

If it is real, it could be enhanced by any of the factors that have changed over the years in the products we use, from food enhancments to household products, and even genetic engineered food. Medicatoins of all sorts, as well as included chemicals in all and any of these.

While vaccinations have been demonised, there is almost no undisputed evidence of the link to autism.. indeed the doctor who first introduced the idea has been struck off over it.