How Would You Reform Islam?

[sandandfoam]

Most Muslims live in impoverished, undereducated countries.

So when you said Muslim women lack critical thinking skills you meant only poor Muslim women?

I think your view is bigoted, chauvinistic and unfounded.

 

[sandandfoam]

I might well come to agree. But how much of a practical difference does it make?

It truly seems that it is so hard to see one not misrepresenting Islam that to this day one would be hard pressed to even find consensus of a single example of existing Islamic country.

I think it makes a huge difference because there is a difference between having a problem with Islam and having problem with misrepresentations of Islam.

 

[ametist]

you can reform all religions by taking them to their first century

 

[icehorse]

So when you said Muslim women lack critical thinking skills you meant only poor Muslim women?

I think your view is bigoted, chauvinistic and unfounded.

Do you disagree that illiteracy rates are high for the world's 1.5 billion Muslims? Do you disagree that in many Muslim majority countries girls get less educational opportunities than boys? Do you disagree that most of the Muslims in the world are impoverished?

Also, I'm making statistical claims. How are statistical claims bigoted or chauvinistic?

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defend net neutrality - "without love in the game, insanity's king"

 

[Ingledsva]

WHY?


Anyone - male or female - that has a one religion society, and only religious education - is going to have problems with critical thinking skills.


They are for all practical purposes - brain washed.


Can they break this? Yes, especially now with the internet allowing access to "other" ideas.


We see differences today in modern Muslim women that attend secular schools, especially in secular countries.

You're describing Ireland. I imagine many other countries too. I think you're wrong. Of course it could be I lack critical thinking skills....

My goodness! You are getting offended over things not meant to offend.


Ireland is not a one religion country. You may have an ongoing Catholic - Protestant struggle, but many religions live there.


Your education system is more then just religious education as well, etc.



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[Ingledsva]

Do you disagree that illiteracy rates are high for the world's 1.5 billion Muslims? Do you disagree that in many Muslim majority countries girls get less educational opportunities than boys? Do you disagree that most of the Muslims in the world are impoverished?

Also, I'm making statistical claims. How are statistical claims bigoted or chauvinistic?

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defend net neutrality - "without love in the game, insanity's king"

And don't forget those hundreds of little girls in the news lately - kidnapped - because they attend school - by Muslim extremists that don't believe girls should be educated.



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[Sabour]

Islam doesn't need reforming.

Muslims do. I need it the most.

 

[seeking4truth]

Do you disagree that illiteracy rates are high for the world's 1.5 billion Muslims? Do you disagree that in many Muslim majority countries girls get less educational opportunities than boys? Do you disagree that most of the Muslims in the world are impoverished?
defend net neutrality - "without love in the game, insanity's king"

I wonder why it seems that so many so called Muslim men are opposed to women's education. (Although I realise it is only a very small proportion of Muslim men but they do get the largest proportion of publicity)

Surely educated women will be in a better position to raise educated children, boys and girls, for the benefit of future generations.

What is it that such men fear from education? It certainly has nothing to do with Islam.

 

[LuisDantas]

you can reform all religions by taking them to their first century

Really? I don't know... it seems to me that some of the best managed to improve themselves along time.

That may be difficult to gauge, I suppose.

 

[seeking4truth]

Reform in progress....

Who are the Ahmadi Muslims? | Stop the Persecution

 

[Aupmanyav]

But Ahmadiyyas are not Muslims for Muslim countries.

 

[Muffled]

I would make it a path to Christianty instead of an obstacle to it.

I doubt it will reform.

I don't believe that people reason properly so it is unlikely that there would be an enlightenment that would catch hold.

 

[Muffled]

Islam doesn't need reforming.

Muslims do. I need it the most.

I believe a reformed Muslim will be considered outside of Islam by traditional Islamic groups much as the Sufis are viewed that way.

 

[Sabour]

I believe a reformed Muslim will be considered outside of Islam by traditional Islamic groups much as the Sufis are viewed that way.

What I meant by reforming muslims meant being a practicing muslim. I don't know how would "today's muslims" view that. But becoming a real muslim is the correct thing to do.

 

[seeking4truth]

I believe a reformed Muslim will be considered outside of Islam by traditional Islamic groups much as the Sufis are viewed that way.

just as Ahmadi Muslims are!

 

[Smart_Guy]

I see some people try to force their opinions on others as facts

I for one believe Islam does not need reformation, but only so many Muslims do. I'm saying "believe", not saying "does not, period".

Those saying Islam does need reformation are expressing their opinions only. It does not state any facts.

Please be considerate!

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

when islame say the ouran download from god there fore the islame can not reform

 

[Makaranda]

Get rid of Wahhabism and promote Sufism. Then maybe Islam (and the world) has a chance...

 

[Gordian Knot]

I view Islam today and it makes me so very sad. From (roughly) the 8th to the 12th centuries, Islam was the intellectual center for science, philosophy, medicine and education in the Western World. They tolerated other religions; they gave us so much that we use to this day. Everyone knows that the numeric system we use today is Arabic, right?

How far they have fallen.

And at the time of this Golden Age of Islam, it was Christianity that was in its Dark Age of ignorance, superstition and intolerance.

One of the best things that could happen to Islamic countries would be to separate church from state, as it were. Reduce the power of the Imans for more secular power authorities.

And this should be a stark warning to all those people in the US who believe that pushing Christianity onto our government is a good idea. It isn't! Especially with the religious fanaticism and intolerance we see in this country today.

 

[Moishe3rd]

I view Islam today and it makes me so very sad. From (roughly) the 8th to the 12th centuries, Islam was the intellectual center for science, philosophy, medicine and education in the Western World. They tolerated other religions; they gave us so much that we use to this day. Everyone knows that the numeric system we use today is Arabic, right?

How far they have fallen.

And at the time of this Golden Age of Islam, it was Christianity that was in its Dark Age of ignorance, superstition and intolerance.

One of the best things that could happen to Islamic countries would be to separate church from state, as it were. Reduce the power of the Imans for more secular power authorities.

And this should be a stark warning to all those people in the US who believe that pushing Christianity onto our government is a good idea. It isn't! Especially with the religious fanaticism and intolerance we see in this country today.

Your heart appears to be in the right place however, your grasp of history and current United States attitudes towards Christianity are somewhat off.

The so called "Golden Age" of Islam occurred in al-Andalus, where an Ummayyad refugee from the Abbasid revolution, conquered Spain from the semi primitive Visigoth Christians. Due to rather intense persecution by the Visigoth Christians, the Jews that lived in Spain supported Tariq ibn Ziyad and the Muslim Berbers who followed Abd al-Rahman ibn Mu'awiya ibn Hisham ibn Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan, the new Ummayad Caliph of Cordoba.
Thus began one of the largest concentration of "free" Jews in the world where toleration was the watchword and freedom of thought and expression was encouraged for Muslims, Jews, and Christians.
By the 11th Century, the invasions of the Muslim Almoravids, Almohads and Marinids brought this age of toleration to a close and free intellectual thought was no longer in favor.

Plus, the Zero, the root foundation of the Arabic number system, is an Indian concept, not Arabic.

And, far from being encouraged in the US, the government tends to denigrate "Christian believers" and other such religious folk...