Huckabee defends Duggars over Teenage Molestation Accusations

[Shadow Wolf]

When centralizing on one life experience, it wouldn't make sense.

If my essence has done something bad in a past life, why should I, who am completely unaware of and oblvious to these deeds, have to pay them? How can it be considered "justice" when someone who is innocent must pay for a crime? So what if the previous host of my spirit killed 20 people? I didn't. Why should I have to pay for it?

 

[leibowde84]

Faith in this justice system obviously doesn't work. It's evident in itself that this justice system doesn't work, even excluding "faith" in it. Even separating from justice being served out by a system, it will not change or prevent other occurrences.

What would be spreading truth? We can try to see the big picture of life. Why do things like this occur is the question. "Why? Why me? This isn't fair." What if that fairness is cosmic justice? What if we are experiencing suffering for the same suffering we have caused others to experience? Like the universe is built on, opposites.
It's a circular cycle. If I murder, I will become the murdered. If I steal, I will become the stolen from. If I abuse, I will become the abused. If I'm racist, I will become what I hate. If I devour another human being in any way, I will experience the same devouring I caused and reap the effects myself. Cause and effect. What if I'm the one who needs forgiven for all of my causes upon others until I learn the cold, uneasy hard truth about myself and life? I'm not going to escape the cycle until I learn and pay the prices regardless of any man-made justice system. If I hated and abused "African's" for example, what if I knew I'd become an African that is abused by a man just like me? Then I am sitting here, asking the questions, why me? This isn't fair, why are things like this? Why am I experiencing this suffering for my skin color? Then I realize, I was once the victimizer of a victim like I currently am. Those harmed, the damage cannot be changed. I'd find more comfort in the cosmic/divine justice than any corrupt man-made system and would be at rest and contentment knowing in the truth. But then I don't want harm to anyone. I want forgiveness and a shift in minds. I know that I have the power to forgive those that have harmed me. Others need to be aware of this also. Wishing bad upon someone is never good. If I were sexually abused, my initial emotion would want the perp to be sexually abused and experience the same suffering I have received. Justice Justice Justice. Instead, they get 2 years in prison. No one becomes aware of the truth and is forgiven and forgives. Later on in the future of circular life and divine/cosmic justice... That former perp is in a different body, and they get sexually abused and experience the suffering and in need of console and demanding justice for what was done to them. It's a never ending cycle of devouring and cause and effect. Devourer becomes devoured. Feeding into the circular system.

What I meant by silence is doing work before there is such thing as a victim. Not literal silence. Being loud yet humbly and in truth and peaceful ways. There are troubled minds all around me, everywhere I go. I can plant seeds in minds, help others overcome their emotions and desires before they do act out on them. Who is saved from being a victim is of no concern to me. Who is saved from becoming the victimizer is of no concern for me. It's the "silence" behind the scenes that saves souls. Or I can ignore them and judge and label them as no good and worthless, giving no help. Genuine people believing and having faith that they can have a change in mind.

Whether a victim or a potential perp, it all starts internally, with a radical change in conscious mind. The defeat of an old mind and having a renewed and new mind. A rapist cannot be a rapist if they have a change in mind. A murderer cannot murder if they have a change in mind. A victim cannot be a victim if their potential victimizer had a radical change in mind. A thief cannot be a thief if they have a change in mind and so on.

Then I realize, hell is true. It's a living and real experience bodily. If I harm others, I'm going to be the harmed. I'm going to experience the same conscious experience of suffering in another body somewhere that I have caused.

The truth is easy to see, it's universal. Not many are looking for it.

As for forgiveness, I am the one who needs forgiven for all of my actions, before I can forgive others. Genuinely.
Before I can find true freedom and rest and peace in conscious mind. I have to get over myself, my ego and pride, my stubbornness, I have to accept that I am suffering for my actions, I am the only one responsible. The truth hurts. Initially.

Look around us, everyone is devouring each other by living in the past. Country vs country. Race vs race. Husband vs wife. Religion vs religion. Government vs government. Boyfriend vs girlfriend. Individual vs individual. Ego vs ego. Pride vs pride. Over things that cannot be changed and living in the past. Things that occurred thousands and hundreds of years ago even. No forgiveness. Things can be changed now and going forward. By spreading truth, love, and peace.

This is merely dodging the issue at hand by generalizing problems with the legal system as a whole. And counting on karma for justice is foolish. Don't you think that the parents should be held responsible?

 

[Unification]

I have, And I know,without a moments hesitation that spreading new age guru platitudes will not work.

There is no such thing as new age. It's a label, definition, etc. that the ego wants to apply to everything because all it wants to do is label and judge and define everything. Part of the problem itself.

 

[leibowde84]

There is no such thing as new age. It's a label, definition, etc. that the ego wants to apply to everything because all it wants to do is label and judge and define everything. Part of the problem itself.

Human beings rely on patterns and categorization for survival. It is absolutely unavoidable.

 

[JoStories]

If my essence has done something bad in a past life, why should I, who am completely unaware of and oblvious to these deeds, have to pay them? How can it be considered "justice" when someone who is innocent must pay for a crime? So what if the previous host of my spirit killed 20 people? I didn't. Why should I have to pay for it?

I do believe in karma, reincarnation and so on. I know I am learning lessons in this life for either things I did wrong before or simply,have not learned yet. I will not discuss or even defend this but I have seen some of my past lives and know some of the things I've had to pay back. So in this case, I get that part. What I don't believe is that other than a few who follow eastern paths, most would laugh outright at these new age ideas that simply will not work.

 

[leibowde84]

I do believe in karma, reincarnation and so on. I know I am learning lessons in this life for either things I did wrong before or simply,have not learned yet. I will not discuss or even defend this but I have seen some of my past lives and know some of the things I've had to pay back. So in this case, I get that part. What I don't believe is that other than a few who follow eastern paths, most would laugh outright at these new age ideas that simply will not work.

Maybe they work ... but not well enough for my taste.

 

[JoStories]

Human beings rely on patterns and categorization for survival. It is absolutely unavoidable.

Thank you. Human beings rely on what they can see and know now. Preaching this new age stuff simply is ridiculous in the extreme. And I totally agree with you about the parents.

 

[JoStories]

Maybe they work ... but not well enough for my taste.

And I agree. It might for me. To some degree but even I have to live in the here and now.

 

[Revoltingest]

That kind of mindset truly makes me sick. To imagine something can be prayed away is bull ****e.

It's a perspective which is quite foreign to me too.
But of course, I'm a non-believer.

 

[Unification]

This is merely dodging the issue at hand by generalizing problems with the legal system as a whole. And counting on karma for justice is foolish. Don't you think that the parents should be held responsible?

If there were no criminals or victims, there would be no attorneys and justice system. No victim and no perp to defend. At least violence creates jobs right?

I don't have to count on, I know.

Place yourself in the parents shoes, what would you have done to your child, being completely honest with yourself?
And if the victims and all were at complete rest and peace with what happened how long ago? Here comes the justice system, media, and all sorts of other opinionated loud mouths all over the world to discuss something they know nothing about, judge and label all sorts of people and things, argue, and to harass and rekindle something the victims may have been at rest with. If there wasn't rest, someone would have stepped forward long ago. Let's relive something we cannot change, bring those triggers all back to light. . and this time, millions times more magnified. Nothing but exhausting negative energy into a garbage system and people's minds collectively. If anything, I hope for the positive out of a negative from this.

Everyone is going to be held responsible, regardless of what any mind or man-made Justice system decides or thinks or voices. I take great trust and peace of mind in the divine/cosmic Justice. It'd be a mistake not to.

 

[Unification]

I have, And I know,without a moments hesitation that spreading new age guru platitudes will not work.

What is old age? If "old age" and "current" models don't work... One would think anything true, new, and radical would at least be considered for awhile before more reaction from emotion without thinking.

 

[Unification]

Human beings rely on patterns and categorization for survival. It is absolutely unavoidable.

Then there would be no need for a Justice system. A chemical imbalance in the brain made them do it because of survival and everyone is innocent. There would be no freewill to commit anything. No choice. One could use all the laws of science to be innocent. All of the same laws that indirectly say "we are not working."

 

[Unification]

And I agree. It might for me. To some degree but even I have to live in the here and now.

As a "Christian" with forgiveness and hypocrisy, a "Buddhist" with karma and reincarnation and hypocrisy.

Take away the labeled "Christian" and "Buddhist" and we are all human beings. Most have no practice or knowledge to their beliefs. Only "knowledge of" and can't even apply their own beliefs to their own selves. Why they are beliefs, when they should be known and experienced.

 

[JoStories]

What is old age? If "old age" and "current" models don't work... One would think anything true, new, and radical would at least be considered for awhile before more reaction from emotion without thinking.

Do you honestly think it hasn't been tried? If you do, you're deluding yourself. It's been tried. Yes, it failed and yes, most treatments today are ineffectual. They continue to work on this but how does one remodel the human mind after it's been molded? It's a rather complex issue.

 

[Unification]

Thank you. Human beings rely on what they can see and know now. Preaching this new age stuff simply is ridiculous in the extreme. And I totally agree with you about the parents.

Obviously, what we see and know now isn't working. Living by what can be seen is the entire problem for sexual abuse and all other violence. That stuff is ridiculous to the extreme. To believe in something that isn't working. When in fact, anything "new" changes the old and current.

 

[Unification]

If my essence has done something bad in a past life, why should I, who am completely unaware of and oblvious to these deeds, have to pay them? How can it be considered "justice" when someone who is innocent must pay for a crime? So what if the previous host of my spirit killed 20 people? I didn't. Why should I have to pay for it?

Using this, then no one can truly be there or help another. It would be with impartial eyes. If they don't see another as themselves, they really aren't accomplishing much. You wouldn't be unaware, you'd be just as aware as you are now. You'd be very aware. Just as you are now. You are no different from any other human being. If what's taken from an innocent, the perceived innocent will become what's taken from. If I wreck the life of an innocent, I'm going to have my innocent life wrecked. I am guilty.

"My" spirit is saying the same thing as "I did." We reap what we sow.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Using this, then no one can truly be there or help another. It would be with impartial eyes. If they don't see another as themselves, they really aren't accomplishing much. You wouldn't be unaware, you'd be just as aware as you are now. You'd be very aware. Just as you are now. You are no different from any other human being. If what's taken from an innocent, the perceived innocent will become what's taken from. If I wreck the life of an innocent, I'm going to have my innocent life wrecked. I am guilty.

"My" spirit is saying the same thing as "I did." We reap what we sow.

I have no sense of empathy. In that regard, I am indeed very much unlike other human beings, because I cannot imagine myself as them, I do not feel bad for people when they are feeling bad, and I do not feel joy at them feeling joy.
But how does that effect my being able to be their for my friends? I've been there for a whole family as they were blowing up at each other, with me being able to mediate, and directly state, what each other was saying without my emotions being drug into the middle of it. I've been there for friends through harsh pregnancies, abusive relationships, and other bad things that life throws at people. And I do this without having any empathy.
And, again, even if my "previous host" killed a million people, why should I, who had absolutely nothing to do with it, be punished for it? What is the one who committed those crimes going to "learn" if that is not the one who is punished for the crimes?

 

[leibowde84]

If there were no criminals or victims, there would be no attorneys and justice system. No victim and no perp to defend. At least violence creates jobs right?

I don't have to count on, I know.

Place yourself in the parents shoes, what would you have done to your child, being completely honest with yourself?
And if the victims and all were at complete rest and peace with what happened how long ago? Here comes the justice system, media, and all sorts of other opinionated loud mouths all over the world to discuss something they know nothing about, judge and label all sorts of people and things, argue, and to harass and rekindle something the victims may have been at rest with. If there wasn't rest, someone would have stepped forward long ago. Let's relive something we cannot change, bring those triggers all back to light. . and this time, millions times more magnified. Nothing but exhausting negative energy into a garbage system and people's minds collectively. If anything, I hope for the positive out of a negative from this.

Everyone is going to be held responsible, regardless of what any mind or man-made Justice system decides or thinks or voices. I take great trust and peace of mind in the divine/cosmic Justice. It'd be a mistake not to.

It might make one feel better, but isn't it foolish to just assume justice will come on it as own? How can you be so sure?

 

[leibowde84]

Then there would be no need for a Justice system. A chemical imbalance in the brain made them do it because of survival and everyone is innocent. There would be no freewill to commit anything. No choice. One could use all the laws of science to be innocent. All of the same laws that indirectly say "we are not working."

What does this have to do with my comment about patterns and categories. This is basic neurology/psychology.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Place yourself in the parents shoes, what would you have done to your child, being completely honest with yourself?

I would have put the kid in therapy. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. I couldn't live with myself knowing that I would be ignoring the problem and putting other children at risk.

As a "Christian" with forgiveness and hypocrisy, a "Buddhist" with karma and reincarnation and hypocrisy.

How you view Karma is a very Western interpretation of it, and is not how Buddhist view it.