Huckabee defends Duggars over Teenage Molestation Accusations

[leibowde84]

Then there would be no need for a Justice system. A chemical imbalance in the brain made them do it because of survival and everyone is innocent. There would be no freewill to commit anything. No choice. One could use all the laws of science to be innocent. All of the same laws that indirectly say "we are not working."

It is how our brains work. We recognize patterns and put things into categories subconciousky so that we can experience reality as we do.

 

[Unification]

I have no sense of empathy. In that regard, I am indeed very much unlike other human beings, because I cannot imagine myself as them, I do not feel bad for people when they are feeling bad, and I do not feel joy at them feeling joy.
But how does that effect my being able to be their for my friends? I've been there for a whole family as they were blowing up at each other, with me being able to mediate, and directly state, what each other was saying without my emotions being drug into the middle of it. I've been there for friends through harsh pregnancies, abusive relationships, and other bad things that life throws at people. And I do this without having any empathy.
And, again, even if my "previous host" killed a million people, why should I, who had absolutely nothing to do with it, be punished for it? What is the one who committed those crimes going to "learn" if that is not the one who is punished for the crimes?

You would be the one.

You do, subconsciously have empathy. You subconsciously know that you can be them and in their shoes even if you know you are not them. You have felt joy. All other humans have felt joy. You have felt suffering. All other humans have felt suffering. You have felt emotions. All other human beings have felt the same emotions. The feelings are not different from body to body.

Behind the mind, we are all one and the same. It's the mind that creates the divisions, labeling, and judging. There is no difference between an atheist and a theist for example. They are a human being. The mind is what creates the difference between them.

 

[leibowde84]

You would be the one.

You do, subconsciously have empathy. You subconsciously know that you can be them and in their shoes even if you know you are not them. You have felt joy. All other humans have felt joy. You have felt suffering. All other humans have felt suffering. You have felt emotions. All other human beings have felt the same emotions. The feelings are not different from body to body.

Behind the mind, we are all one and the same. It's the mind that creates the divisions, labeling, and judging. There is no difference between an atheist and a theist for example. They are a human being. The mind is what creates the difference between them.

I agree, but to some extent, categorizing our reality is absolutely necessary. Claiming that we could survive without this is ignoring neuro science.

 

[Unification]

What does this have to do with my comment about patterns and categories. This is basic neurology/psychology.

Science has no explanation or solution for the mind. It's best if we stop pretending that they do.

Those patterns and categories need altered and changed or the same vicious cycle will keep occurring within the minds of individuals.

 

[Unification]

I agree, but to some extent, categorizing our reality is absolutely necessary. Claiming that we could survive without this is ignoring neuro science.

I'd have to agree with that. There is a middle to everything, and that is where the truth is.

 

[genypher]

Josh was 17 when he diddled his sisters and other non-family girls, was he not?

 

[Unification]

I would have put the kid in therapy. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. I couldn't live with myself knowing that I would be ignoring the problem and putting other children at risk.

How you view Karma is a very Western interpretation of it, and is not how Buddhist view it.

Even with therapy not really being too effective? Something definitely has to be done though.

Not too concerned with western and eastern interpretations. Everyone is a human being and has a western and an eastern hemisphere of the brain which has to both unite, individually and in the world.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You do, subconsciously have empathy. You subconsciously know that you can be them and in their shoes even if you know you are not them. You have felt joy. All other humans have felt joy. You have felt suffering. All other humans have felt suffering. You have felt emotions. All other human beings have felt the same emotions. The feelings are not different from body to body.

No, I don't. We aspies use our intellect to understand what people are going through because we do not have intuition when it comes to empathy and other social understandings.
If someone says they are having a bad day, I just don't get why they are having a bad day; I have to take in why they are having a bad day, process it, think about it, and then I understand why they are having a bad day. From there I may be able to sympathize, but if you bash your shin on a table I'm not going to be flinching for you like others in the room will, because I don't have the brain wiring that allows me to feel that pain.

 

[genypher]

I think that this is the kind of damage control people do for their friends all the time. I have a feeling that if any other 17 year old boy was discovered to have, on multiple occasions, sexually assaulted his sisters and/or their friends, Huckabee would have a very different stance on it.

 

[Unification]

No, I don't. We aspies use our intellect to understand what people are going through because we do not have intuition when it comes to empathy and other social understandings.
If someone says they are having a bad day, I just don't get why they are having a bad day; I have to take in why they are having a bad day, process it, think about it, and then I understand why they are having a bad day. From there I may be able to sympathize, but if you bash your shin on a table I'm not going to be flinching for you like others in the room will, because I don't have the brain wiring that allows me to feel that pain.

You've had bad days too. We all have. The feelings and emotions are no different from being to being.

 

[Unification]

I would have put the kid in therapy. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. I couldn't live with myself knowing that I would be ignoring the problem and putting other children at risk.

How you view Karma is a very Western interpretation of it, and is not how Buddhist view it.

Basic Buddhism: The Theory of Karma

The "new age stuff" is not new. It's everything Jesus talked about too, after eliminating church building doctrine and dogma.

 

[JoStories]

I have no sense of empathy. In that regard, I am indeed very much unlike other human beings, because I cannot imagine myself as them, I do not feel bad for people when they are feeling bad, and I do not feel joy at them feeling joy.
But how does that effect my being able to be their for my friends? I've been there for a whole family as they were blowing up at each other, with me being able to mediate, and directly state, what each other was saying without my emotions being drug into the middle of it. I've been there for friends through harsh pregnancies, abusive relationships, and other bad things that life throws at people. And I do this without having any empathy.
And, again, even if my "previous host" killed a million people, why should I, who had absolutely nothing to do with it, be punished for it? What is the one who committed those crimes going to "learn" if that is not the one who is punished for the crimes?

IMO, and in the view of many Buddhists, we are learning and making amends for those past lives. How that may manifest may be very different from what one might think. For example, in this life, I'm dealing with learning about extreme losses. The loss of my partner, my children, my father, and more. And how to manage rape. Both my own and my daughter's. I believe part of that is making up for past life mistakes. Some of which I understand. But that is just my view.

 

[JoStories]

I would have put the kid in therapy. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. I couldn't live with myself knowing that I would be ignoring the problem and putting other children at risk.

How you view Karma is a very Western interpretation of it, and is not how Buddhist view it.

Me too shadow. As an example, when my daughter was 16, she did something incredibly stupid. She called 911 with a couple of friends, claiming she was pregnant and in labor. She was subsequently arrested, charged with making a false report and spent a night in jail and then had to do service work. All of which I approved. And I think what unification is thinking of might be dukkha. Not karma.

 

[Unification]

It is how our brains work. We recognize patterns and put things into categories subconciousky so that we can experience reality as we do.

Indeed we do, and that is why our reality is how it is, evident in the world and our internal sufferings. Lived in the subconscious/unconscious powerhouse of the mind.

As with everything in the universe, there are opposites. The opposite to the subconscious mind would be the conscious mind. The subconscious mind does the labeling, and categorizing. The conscious mind does the opposite of the subconscious mind. The two need to become one or the mind will always be fractured and divided.

 

[gsa]

I've noticed that some people actually believe that personal afflictions (eg, gay, violent, thieving, dishonest, unfaithful) can be overcome by doing things which bring them closer to God such as praying or penitence. In such cases I wouldn't call them "hypocrites". I can't think of a single word to describe religion based unintentional enabling of evil. Duggarism?

I do think this is a major part of the problem: Prayer is the cure, because the source of the wrong is temptation (probably from demonic sources) and "sin." But "sin" is a useless measure; it doesn't track with our laws on, you know, sexual crimes. It is both broader and more restrictive, since women have no real choice but to submit to their husbands and sin encompasses sexual behavior that is constitutionally protected from government regulation, with consent being the key measure. But many Christians are like the Duggars and regard marital rape as unbiblical. And of course they counsel the parties involved to seek pastoral guidance, preferably not law enforcement.

I also do not think it is appropriate to describe this as "unintentional." They do not intend to do any harm and in many cases believe that they are not doing harm, but they engage in these acts with full knowledge of what they are doing, however colored it is by their religion. They are simply rejecting secular beliefs, norms and sometimes laws.

 

[Unification]

I do think this is a major part of the problem: Prayer is the cure, because the source of the wrong is temptation (probably from demonic sources) and "sin." But "sin" is a useless measure; it doesn't track with our laws on, you know, sexual crimes. It is both broader and more restrictive, since women have no real choice but to submit to their husbands and sin encompasses sexual behavior that is constitutionally protected from government regulation, with consent being the key measure. But many Christians are like the Duggars and regard marital rape as unbiblical. And of course they counsel the parties involved to seek pastoral guidance, preferably not law enforcement.

I also do not think it is appropriate to describe this as "unintentional." They do not intend to do any harm and in many cases believe that they are not doing harm, but they engage in these acts with full knowledge of what they are doing, however colored it is by their religion. They are simply rejecting secular beliefs, norms and sometimes laws.

Biblically speaking, the wife is the subconscious mind and the husband is the conscious mind. This is how I know that they truly have not found "God." Inequality. Unbalanced measures. No literal wife should be under subjection to their literal husband. The subconscious mind in every way should submit to the conscious mind.

 

[gsa]

Biblically speaking, the wife is the subconscious mind and the husband is the conscious mind. This is how I know that they truly have not found "God." Inequality. Unbalanced measures. No literal wife should be under subjection to their literal husband. The subconscious mind in every way should submit to the conscious mind.

Well that is not the Duggars' understanding of submission, and quite frankly I am not aware of that interpretation being adopted by many self-identified Christians.

 

[Unification]

Well that is not the Duggars' understanding of submission, and quite frankly I am not aware of that interpretation being adopted by many self-identified Christians.

And if women are taught to be submissive to men, maybe that's part of the reason why many victims don't come forward and are afraid to. Men receive ego's and pride and are taught young to be dominant and the controllers. That female bodies are their's to have their way with.

That's because most self-identified "Christians" are living in lies and are not "Christ-like." They are living in doctrine and dogma.

The first thing I became aware of when seeking truth, was that, that's messed up and causes tons of problems.

 

[leibowde84]

Indeed we do, and that is why our reality is how it is, evident in the world and our internal sufferings. Lived in the subconscious/unconscious powerhouse of the mind.

As with everything in the universe, there are opposites. The opposite to the subconscious mind would be the conscious mind. The subconscious mind does the labeling, and categorizing. The conscious mind does the opposite of the subconscious mind. The two need to become one or the mind will always be fractured and divided.

I think that the subconscious mind is an underling of the conscious mind, not the opposite. But, I'd love to hear some supporting evidence for your claim. I always keep an open mind. Can you support your claim that the subconscious mind is the opposite of the conscious mind? Because I would assume it would be the "unconscious mind".

 

[dawny0826]

Do you realize that, instead of contacting the authorities, the Duggars made their son do manual labor as "repentance"?! That is pretty darn stupid. The kid need psychiatric treatment at the very least.

I don't disagree with you.

But, I still question the point (outside the parameters of political objectives that I see, clearly) of dragging this out in the open now. Again, my concern is the impact upon those that were victimized and his own children.

I'm certainly capable of applying critique to the choices that the family seemingly made, but, of greater concern to me is the manner by which this now impacts those who were victimized. They don't seem to be a concern, which is the crux of my concern.