Huckabee defends Duggars over Teenage Molestation Accusations

[Katzpur]

Huckabee defends Duggar over molestation accusations | OnPolitics

Thoughts?

I wonder if he'd come to Duggar's defense if Duggar was from somewhere other than Arkansas or was something other than an Evangelical Christian.

 

[dawny0826]

So we should just forgive a man who never got the punishment and counseling he needed because he is Christian? And we should applaud Huckabee because he, too, states that forgiveness for this man who molested children is sorry? Sorry but that simply doesn't wash. Keep in mind that just today I read that Josh Duggar made a joke about having to have a chaperone while dating. Does that sound like he was sorry for his crimes? Should we forgive this too? This tendency of the Christian right to 'forgive and forget' is too often the reason some pedophiles are either never caught or never punished. They believe because God forgives them, so should we. Maybe. Forgiveness for the prepetrator might give the survivor some peace but it must be tempered with justice.

The only people, in my opinion who are in the position to require forgiveness are those who were negately impacted by his actions.

I was clear as to my opinions on Huckabee's commentary, which, is the only thing that I've read so far that remotely seems to acknowledge the impact that this spotlight may have on the victims.

I don't particularly care as to what you've read. I haven't been asked to comment on anything other than Mike Hucakbee's commentary.

I am curious as to what evidence you have that proves that Josh Duggar, today, is a pedophile.

 

[leibowde84]

I don't disagree with you.

But, I still question the point (outside the parameters of political objectives that I see, clearly) of dragging this out in the open now. Again, my concern is the impact upon those that were victimized and his own children.

I'm certainly capable of applying critique to the choices that the family seemingly made, but, of greater concern to me is the manner by which this now impacts those who were victimized. They don't seem to be a concern, which is the crux of my concern.

Maybe parents who actively cover up for the rape of their own children should have their kids taken away. I know that the perp certainly shouldn't be raising kids. Although, I think his nature is a product of his parents horrible parental skills and ideology.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You've had bad days too. We all have. The feelings and emotions are no different from being to being.

I have Asperger's syndrome. My brain literally does not function the same as yours. I do not perceive or understand emotions like you do. It doesn't mean that I am completely turned off to them, and do not experience them, but I do not pick up on them like you would, and I do not have any intuition for them like you have.

 

[leibowde84]

I wonder if he'd come to Duggar's defense if Duggar was from somewhere other than Arkansas or was something other than an Evangelical Christian.

Probly not, assad as that is. Huckabee is an example of how religion can make a smart person foolish and gullible.

 

[leibowde84]

I have Asperger's syndrome. My brain literally does not function the same as yours. I do not perceive or understand emotions like you do. It doesn't mean that I am completely turned off to them, and do not experience them, but I do not pick up on them like you would, and I do not have any intuition for them like you have.

Checkmate.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I wonder if he'd come to Duggar's defense if Duggar was from somewhere other than Arkansas or was something other than an Evangelical Christian.

That is a damn good question.

 

[dawny0826]

Maybe parents who actively cover up for the rape of their own children should have their kids taken away. I know that the perp certainly shouldn't be raising kids. Although, I think his nature is a product of his parents horrible parental skills and ideology.

I wasn't aware that he raped his victims. I'm curious as to what evidence you have to suggest that he is a pedophile and wasn't acting out of curiosity. What evidence do you have to support that Josh Duggar is both a rapist and a pedophile and unfit to raise children?

I don't agree with the manner by which his parents handled the situation, but, I don't necessarily believe that their poor handling of this situation negates their overall ability to effectively raise children.

 

[gsa]

I wonder if he'd come to Duggar's defense if Duggar was from somewhere other than Arkansas or was something other than an Evangelical Christian.

Probably not. But I think it is hard to avoid the subject, since the Duggars are longtime supporters of Huckabee and are prominent figures within the evangelical movement.

 

[gsa]

I think that the writing is on the wall for the show: Advertisers are dropping like flies.

It has also subjected the "Quiverfull" movement to an entirely new and unwanted level of scrutiny. Which is appropriate, I think.

 

[Revoltingest]

I also do not think it is appropriate to describe this as "unintentional." They do not intend to do any harm and in many cases believe that they are not doing harm, but they engage in these acts with full knowledge of what they are doing, however colored it is by their religion. They are simply rejecting secular beliefs, norms and sometimes laws.

I still think they intend no harm....they even believe they're preventing it.
People who are wrong seldom known they're wrong.

 

[Unification]

I have Asperger's syndrome. My brain literally does not function the same as yours. I do not perceive or understand emotions like you do. It doesn't mean that I am completely turned off to them, and do not experience them, but I do not pick up on them like you would, and I do not have any intuition for them like you have.

I have AS too. Lack of emotion is untrue. Not expressing it socially, and in ways common to most, does not mean there is no emotion.

 

[Unification]

Checkmate.

Negative. A human beings syndrome is not to play chess with for your beliefs.

 

[Revoltingest]

I wonder if he'd come to Duggar's defense if Duggar was from somewhere other than Arkansas or was something other than an Evangelical Christian.

I get the impression that the state connection is strongest, but religion boosts it.
I don't fault him for that.
Other judgement issues weigh more.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I have AS too. Lack of emotion is untrue. Not expressing it socially, and in ways common to most, does not mean there is no emotion.

I never said there is a lack of emotion. But, it is still understood in a different process than what neurotypicals have. Our brains process things differently, which means we do not experience emotions the same way others do. The lack of empathy and social intuition is two such areas, but, at the same time, typically higher intellect, heightened senses, and knowing a bunch of facts. We tend to perceive the world somewhat differently as well, just because we have our own perspectives as aspies, which is a perspective that others do not have.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I wonder if he'd come to Duggar's defense if Duggar was from somewhere other than Arkansas or was something other than an Evangelical Christian.

Well, that's why I asked in the first place if he had the same response for Mama June and her family from Honey Boo Boo. Not Christian enough for Huckabee, I guess?

 

[Unification]

I think that the subconscious mind is an underling of the conscious mind, not the opposite. But, I'd love to hear some supporting evidence for your claim. I always keep an open mind. Can you support your claim that the subconscious mind is the opposite of the conscious mind? Because I would assume it would be the "unconscious mind".

The mind:

Conscious
Subconscious
Unconscious

Science doesn't have an answer for the subjective mind. A subjective observation is based on how an individual perceives reality, rather than reality itself with science. It's more viewed as the subconscious mind. Correct me if I am wrong.

Scripture had it right thousands of years ago, hidden beneath the metaphors and without the words we see and commonly use today.

Adam: conscious(neocortex)
Eve:subconscious(Limbic system)
Serpent/snake/devil/satan: unconscious/ego (reptilian brain)

The conscious impregnates the subconscious with a child(seed of thought, seed of knowledge) and is stored in the subconscious which births our reality(mother of all living) There is enmity between the subconscious and the unconscious mind as the individual reality and ego conflict.

Freud explained the unconscious mind relatively well to refer to a part of the mind that cannot be known by the conscious mind, and includes socially unacceptable ideas, wishes and desires, traumatic memories and painful emotions that have been repressed.

You'd be correct about the conscious and unconscious being opposite.
The conscious and subconscious would be opposite not in a sense they disagree with each other, but because they are dual, male and female, have opposite roles. Opposite energies. Positive and negative.

 

[JoStories]

I wasn't aware that he raped his victims. I'm curious as to what evidence you have to suggest that he is a pedophile and wasn't acting out of curiosity. What evidence do you have to support that Josh Duggar is both a rapist and a pedophile and unfit to raise children?

I don't agree with the manner by which his parents handled the situation, but, I don't necessarily believe that their poor handling of this situation negates their overall ability to effectively raise children.

He was 15 when he molested children as young as 6 or7. That is not curious behavior, it's text book pedophilia. And I would suggest you look up the defintion of rape. Rape is not just penetration, it's also molestation, which is what this person did. If anyone does something this heinous, he is a sexual predator and unfit to raise children, IMO.

 

[JoStories]

The mind:

Conscious
Subconscious
Unconscious

Science doesn't have an answer for the subjective mind. A subjective observation is based on how an individual perceives reality, rather than reality itself with science. It's more viewed as the subconscious mind. Correct me if I am wrong.

Scripture had it right thousands of years ago, hidden beneath the metaphors and without the words we see and commonly use today.

Adam: conscious(neocortex)
Eve:subconscious(Limbic system)
Serpent/snake/devil/satan: unconscious/ego (reptilian brain)

The conscious impregnates the subconscious with a child(seed of thought, seed of knowledge) and is stored in the subconscious which births our reality(mother of all living) There is enmity between the subconscious and the unconscious mind as the individual reality and ego conflict.

Freud explained the unconscious mind relatively well to refer to a part of the mind that cannot be known by the conscious mind, and includes socially unacceptable ideas, wishes and desires, traumatic memories and painful emotions that have been repressed.

You'd be correct about the conscious and unconscious being opposite.
The conscious and subconscious would be opposite not in a sense they disagree with each other, but because they are dual, male and female, have opposite roles. Opposite energies. Positive and negative.

Freud has been very largely discredited by the APA. Jung has he supporters but almost no one believes that Freud was anything more than obsessed with his mother and as sick as his alleged patients.
As for the subjective mind, the search for,answers continues. I worked with one of my mentors, a neuropsychologist, when I was pursuing my degrees in psychology. We did research into how neurotransmitters resulted in the subconscious and th mind. No, it was not completed but we did publish quite a few articles, which were conjecture as to how this worked and others still are striving for that end. In time, there may be an answer.

 

[Curious George]

No, I don't. We aspies use our intellect to understand what people are going through because we do not have intuition when it comes to empathy and other social understandings.
If someone says they are having a bad day, I just don't get why they are having a bad day; I have to take in why they are having a bad day, process it, think about it, and then I understand why they are having a bad day. From there I may be able to sympathize, but if you bash your shin on a table I'm not going to be flinching for you like others in the room will, because I don't have the brain wiring that allows me to feel that pain.

"We aspies." Are you implying that all people with asperger's are the same? Or at least are the same in that they do not "have empathy?"

I hope not.