Huckabee defends Duggars over Teenage Molestation Accusations

[jonathan180iq]

I actually have changed my mind on this issue since learning more about this scum-bag Dugger kid. I did not realize that most of the girls were his sisters. Definitely is a shining example of how "strict family values" can have terrible consequences.

I think that's my biggest issue with all of this. I'm not one who feels the need to go back and worry about punishing someone for something that they did 15 years ago, while they were still a kid, regardless of how heinous it was. The problem, as I see it, is that these same people have the audacity to then speak out against any manner of family building or personal development outside of their veiled facade of wholesomeness. They've made millions of dollars selling their wholesomeness as a product when, in fact, they are quite obviously the opposite of wholesome...

It goes to further my belief that the majority of people who hide behind this shroud of conservatism, faith, and family values do so because they are more intimately and personally aware of the grossness of reality than most people. They push back so hard against any change to their small worldview because they know all too well how sick they really are. Instead of dealing with reality they prefer to pretend to live and be a certain way, attempting to hide form their true selves for most of their lives. They even get jobs on highly influential conservative research councils who promote such wholesome values as shaming and barring homosexual couples from free and open lifestyle choices, or lobbying for the legislation of female reproductive mandates...
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Shed a tear for the criminal, give him something to believe
Light a fire for the miserable, give the darkness some meaning
Closed wounds harbor pestilence, when you lick them from within
Charity has a redolence, chastity cannot rescind

Spirit shine, it's a sign of a tortured mind
Spirit shine, all the time, can render you blind

You can take it all to heart or throw it all away
You can call it just a life or live your life that way
You can give until you're dry and sucked of all your gleam
You can fake another cry and compromise your dream, yeah

Cling tight to the parable, let it dominate your life
Create a God who's infallible, give your leader some respite
Closed wounds harbor pestilence, when you lick them from within
Rosy smiles lose their radiance, when you take it on the chin

Spirit shine, it's a sign of a troubled mind
Spirit shine, all the time, can render you blind

Spirit shine, it's a sign of a tortured mind
Spirit shine, all the time, yeah can render you blind

 

[jonathan180iq]

Here's a bunch of info

Unsealed police report reveals 'Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar covered up after eldest son Josh confessed to repeatedly fondling girls when he was a teen - and case only went to police in 2006 because of Oprah concerns' | Daily Mail Online

 

[gsa]

OK....I searched around, & found that he was 14 & 15 when he did something to some girls who were something years old.

I believe at least two of the victims were his sisters; at the time, the eldest would have been 13 or 14 and the next oldest female would have been 6 or 7.

He would not have been DSM'd as a pedophile, we know that, because he was too young. But the fact that there were multiple occurrences and it was non-consensual would certainly raise concerns.

 

[LuciferJane]

Edit i found the defense it self well said though which perturbs me.

Wait. His dad's name is actually Jim Bob?

I know, right? It's amusing and tragic at the same time!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's a circular cycle. If I murder, I will become the murdered. If I steal, I will become the stolen from. If I abuse, I will become the abused. If I'm racist, I will become what I hate. If I devour another human being in any way, I will experience the same devouring I caused and reap the effects myself. Cause and effect.

That just is not how things work. A ton of criminals are never arrested, and out of those who are, many of them are not convicted. As for cannibalism, do you have any idea how many cannibalistic cultures there have been? And the varying reasons cannibalism has been done? What about a group of people who are in a very dire situation, and they eat someone who has died because that is the only source of food? What about the many murderers who have never been murdered? What of thieves who have never been stolen from? There are just too many examples of the good being punished and wicked face no consequences, both individuals and entire cultures, to even suggest this circular cycle is happening.
If cosmic justice is real, then why have so many of the cruelist and most barbaric of the Nazis, such as Mengele, get to live to a ripe old age, never facing justice for their crimes?

Whether a victim or a potential perp, it all starts internally, with a radical change in conscious mind. The defeat of an old mind and having a renewed and new mind. A rapist cannot be a rapist if they have a change in mind. A murderer cannot murder if they have a change in mind. A victim cannot be a victim if their potential victimizer had a radical change in mind. A thief cannot be a thief if they have a change in mind and so on.

That is a very naive view. Pedophiles often struggle against their own natural sexual impulses. This is why therapy is very important, because it helps them to manage their sexual desires, sexual desires that are inappropriate.

 

[Revoltingest]

I believe at least two of the victims were his sisters; at the time, the eldest would have been 13 or 14 and the next oldest female would have been 6 or 7.

He would not have been DSM'd as a pedophile, we know that, because he was too young. But the fact that there were multiple occurrences and it was non-consensual would certainly raise concerns.

Aye, such proclivities cannot be prayed or exercised away.
I'd prefer legal consequences which aim for rehabilitation....if that's the right word.

 

[leibowde84]

Aye, such proclivities cannot be prayed or exercised away.
I'd prefer legal consequences which aim for rehabilitation....if that's the right word.

The parents are really to blame. The kid was 15, and he should be in constant therapy and under constant supervision. That being said, the parents are hypocrites to the max. They covered it up and were so reprehensible in "helping their son find forgiveness" that it makes me sick. They should be continually ridiculed, and their "way of life" should be severely scrutinized.

 

[Revoltingest]

The parents are really to blame. The kid was 15, and he should be in constant therapy and under constant supervision. That being said, the parents are hypocrites to the max. They covered it up and were so reprehensible in "helping their son find forgiveness" that it makes me sick. They should be continually ridiculed, and their "way of life" should be severely scrutinized.

I don't know if "hypocrite" is the right word.
Their actions might be consistent with their particular religious impairment.
Nonetheless, they deserve severe criticism for enabling the kid, & putting other kids at risk.

 

[leibowde84]

I don't know if "hypocrite" is the right word.
Their actions might be consistent with their particular religious impairment.
Nonetheless, they deserve severe criticism for enabling the kid, & putting other kids at risk.

Why do you think that "their actions might be consistent with their particular religious impairment"?

 

[Revoltingest]

Why do you think that "their actions might be consistent with their particular religious impairment"?

I've noticed that some people actually believe that personal afflictions (eg, gay, violent, thieving, dishonest, unfaithful) can be overcome by doing things which bring them closer to God such as praying or penitence. In such cases I wouldn't call them "hypocrites". I can't think of a single word to describe religion based unintentional enabling of evil. Duggarism?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I've noticed that some people actually believe that personal afflictions (eg, gay, violent, thieving, dishonest, unfaithful) can be overcome by doing things which bring them closer to God such as praying or penitence. In such cases I wouldn't call them "hypocrites". I can't think of a single word to describe religion based unintentional enabling of evil. Duggarism?

The word that comes to my mind is "delusional."

 

[Revoltingest]

The word that comes to my mind is "delusional."

"Delusional" doesn't connote evil results though.
We need a term which would apply to things crusades, witch trials, auto da fes, terrorism, etc, but not to benign religious delusion inspired acts like church socials or charity.

 

[Unification]

That just is not how things work. A ton of criminals are never arrested, and out of those who are, many of them are not convicted. As for cannibalism, do you have any idea how many cannibalistic cultures there have been? And the varying reasons cannibalism has been done? What about a group of people who are in a very dire situation, and they eat someone who has died because that is the only source of food? What about the many murderers who have never been murdered? What of thieves who have never been stolen from? There are just too many examples of the good being punished and wicked face no consequences, both individuals and entire cultures, to even suggest this circular cycle is happening.
If cosmic justice is real, then why have so many of the cruelist and most barbaric of the Nazis, such as Mengele, get to live to a ripe old age, never facing justice for their crimes?


That is a very naive view. Pedophiles often struggle against their own natural sexual impulses. This is why therapy is very important, because it helps them to manage their sexual desires, sexual desires that are inappropriate.

When centralizing on one life experience, it wouldn't make sense.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

"Delusional" doesn't connote evil results though.
We need a term which would apply to things crusades, witch trials, auto da fes, terrorism, etc, but not to benign religious delusion inspired acts like church socials or charity.

In that case, "****ing ********."

 

[Revoltingest]

In that case, "****ing ********."

That works.....not my choice, but it conveys the feeling.

 

[Unification]

When centralizing on one life experience, it wouldn't make sense.

There really is no escaping the cycle until one learns about themselves and experiences freedom. Salvation from the system. The truth about life.

How inclined would a racist be to hate if they knew they'd become what they hate in another experience? Would likely change their mind now.

How inclined would someone be to murder if they knew they'd become the murdered in an another experience? Would likely change their mind now.

How inclined would someone be to hate a homosexual if they knew they'd become a homosexual in another experience? Would likely change their mind now.

Do to others as we'd want done to ourselves.

Saying it wouldn't be me anyway so it wouldn't matter what happens in another conscious experience would be a lie too. We are no different from any other human being. We experience. We think, we feel, we will. We wouldn't be any different at all in another experience. We all feel. We all want to be loved. We all want to avoid pain. If we were another human across the world, we'd be the same as if they were us right now. All we've ever know was being conscious and experiencing. We've never died and never will. The judgements, labeling, and partiality need to go.

 

[JoStories]

Faith in this justice system obviously doesn't work. It's evident in itself that this justice system doesn't work, even excluding "faith" in it. Even separating from justice being served out by a system, it will not change or prevent other occurrences.

What would be spreading truth? We can try to see the big picture of life. Why do things like this occur is the question. "Why? Why me? This isn't fair." What if that fairness is cosmic justice? What if we are experiencing suffering for the same suffering we have caused others to experience? Like the universe is built on, opposites.
It's a circular cycle. If I murder, I will become the murdered. If I steal, I will become the stolen from. If I abuse, I will become the abused. If I'm racist, I will become what I hate. If I devour another human being in any way, I will experience the same devouring I caused and reap the effects myself. Cause and effect. What if I'm the one who needs forgiven for all of my causes upon others until I learn the cold, uneasy hard truth about myself and life? I'm not going to escape the cycle until I learn and pay the prices regardless of any man-made justice system. If I hated and abused "African's" for example, what if I knew I'd become an African that is abused by a man just like me? Then I am sitting here, asking the questions, why me? This isn't fair, why are things like this? Why am I experiencing this suffering for my skin color? Then I realize, I was once the victimizer of a victim like I currently am. Those harmed, the damage cannot be changed. I'd find more comfort in the cosmic/divine justice than any corrupt man-made system and would be at rest and contentment knowing in the truth. But then I don't want harm to anyone. I want forgiveness and a shift in minds. I know that I have the power to forgive those that have harmed me. Others need to be aware of this also. Wishing bad upon someone is never good. If I were sexually abused, my initial emotion would want the perp to be sexually abused and experience the same suffering I have received. Justice Justice Justice. Instead, they get 2 years in prison. No one becomes aware of the truth and is forgiven and forgives. Later on in the future of circular life and divine/cosmic justice... That former perp is in a different body, and they get sexually abused and experience the suffering and in need of console and demanding justice for what was done to them. It's a never ending cycle of devouring and cause and effect. Devourer becomes devoured. Feeding into the circular system.

What I meant by silence is doing work before there is such thing as a victim. Not literal silence. Being loud yet humbly and in truth and peaceful ways. There are troubled minds all around me, everywhere I go. I can plant seeds in minds, help others overcome their emotions and desires before they do act out on them. Who is saved from being a victim is of no concern to me. Who is saved from becoming the victimizer is of no concern for me. It's the "silence" behind the scenes that saves souls. Or I can ignore them and judge and label them as no good and worthless, giving no help. Genuine people believing and having faith that they can have a change in mind.

Whether a victim or a potential perp, it all starts internally, with a radical change in conscious mind. The defeat of an old mind and having a renewed and new mind. A rapist cannot be a rapist if they have a change in mind. A murderer cannot murder if they have a change in mind. A victim cannot be a victim if their potential victimizer had a radical change in mind. A thief cannot be a thief if they have a change in mind and so on.

Then I realize, hell is true. It's a living and real experience bodily. If I harm others, I'm going to be the harmed. I'm going to experience the same conscious experience of suffering in another body somewhere that I have caused.

The truth is easy to see, it's universal. Not many are looking for it.

As for forgiveness, I am the one who needs forgiven for all of my actions, before I can forgive others. Genuinely.
Before I can find true freedom and rest and peace in conscious mind. I have to get over myself, my ego and pride, my stubbornness, I have to accept that I am suffering for my actions, I am the only one responsible. The truth hurts. Initially.

Look around us, everyone is devouring each other by living in the past. Country vs country. Race vs race. Husband vs wife. Religion vs religion. Government vs government. Boyfriend vs girlfriend. Individual vs individual. Ego vs ego. Pride vs pride. Over things that cannot be changed and living in the past. Things that occurred thousands and hundreds of years ago even. No forgiveness. Things can be changed now and going forward. By spreading truth, love, and peace.

This strikes me as one of two things. A new age gurus, self help guru, however one names it trying to con the masses, or 2. A sermon. Neither will work. Both are so far removed from reality as to be completely useless. We have a system that is broken. We have men and women and children, who, for whatever reason, are driven to molest and rape. The why of that has been the focus of psychologists and psychiatrists for many years and to date, there are still no answers. And your answer is to spread love no truth? For someone with the inclination to abuse others, I can pretty much guarantee you that they will tell you where to shove your theory, including the love and truth.

 

[JoStories]

I've noticed that some people actually believe that personal afflictions (eg, gay, violent, thieving, dishonest, unfaithful) can be overcome by doing things which bring them closer to God such as praying or penitence. In such cases I wouldn't call them "hypocrites". I can't think of a single word to describe religion based unintentional enabling of evil. Duggarism?

That kind of mindset truly makes me sick. To imagine something can be prayed away is bull ****e.

 

[Unification]

This strikes me as one of two things. A new age gurus, self help guru, however one names it trying to con the masses, or 2. A sermon. Neither will work. Both are so far removed from reality as to be completely useless. We have a system that is broken. We have men and women and children, who, for whatever reason, are driven to molest and rape. The why of that has been the focus of psychologists and psychiatrists for many years and to date, there are still no answers. And your answer is to spread love no truth? For someone with the inclination to abuse others, I can pretty much guarantee you that they will tell you where to shove your theory, including the love and truth.

You should really think about all of that.

 

[JoStories]

You should really think about all of that.

I have, And I know,without a moments hesitation that spreading new age guru platitudes will not work.