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Huge gap between humans and animals

ecco

Veteran Member
I didn't discuss God or Gods, but that an intelligent design behind the existence of humans is obvious since no animal is comparable to humans in their way of life, none at all.
Why not be honest and admit that your "intelligent designer" is God? Are we supposed to think that you believe the "intelligent designer" is an octopus?

The nonsense about IDer's not being Creationists was settled years ago In Kitzmiller v. Dover.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Why not be honest and admit that your "intelligent designer" is God? Are we supposed to think that you believe the "intelligent designer" is an octopus?

The nonsense about IDer's not being Creationists was settled years ago In Kitzmiller v. Dover.

God or X or whatever.
There was a thing that started everything or there was nothing that started everything.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
Suppose man is more in totality than what he is physically, this does not prove that physically man is substantially different to an ape.

Physically we are very similar to apes and I see no reason why the few minor adaptations between man and ape couldn’t have come about through natural selection.
I get what you are saying, but humans are just apes of different family, different genus and species to “other apes”.

The thing is that humans are “apes”, and you are correct that humans and other kind of apes do exhibit different physical characteristics form each others through natural selection.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Imitating like monkeys, maybe some humans were evolved from monkeys,
more investigations is needed, your behaviors is a clue but genetic analysis
have to prove it, I think your genes shares 99.9% with monkeys.

No humans evolved from monkeys, and it is more than maybe, because we have a common ancestor.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Humans came to existence from Apes by a plan, if there was no plan
then why humans have different way of life than all other animals on earth?

Pretty much all the different species over the history of life on earth have a 'different way of life' than other species even those that are closely related.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
I'm glad when I see the atheists annoyed when faced with facts,

So far you have not provided anything factual that is of interest. It is the fundamentalist thesits that are annoyed, offended, angry, fearful, dishonest, and discombuberated by the facts of science, not atheists, nor 98% of all scientists regardless of their religious belief.
and I'm more happy to see how silly their answers are when
defending atheism.

I am not an atheist, but I am very satisfied with their answers as long as it has firm foundation in science.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
So far you have not provided anything factual that is of interest. It is the fundamentalist thesits that are annoyed, offended, angry, fearful, dishonest, and discombuberated by the facts of science, not atheists, nor 98% of all scientists regardless of their religious belief.

No, it's you the atheist who are annoyed.

I am not an atheist, but I am very satisfied with their answers as long as it has firm foundation in science.

How silly you that you think that science is for the atheists and if that the theists are ignorants.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
To @FearGod :

I understand that humans are unique in many ways, to other animals, but much of your examples mostly show is that humans are relying heavily on inventing and developing technologies to do much of our works for us.

While this is smart move, it also limited and slowed our own biological evolution, because we don’t develop biological adaptation to cope with natural changes, but we are relying on technological adaptations and technological evolution to do our works.

While I can admire human technological advances and achievements, they are not natural biological advances.

For instance, we have the ingenuity to design, develop and manufacture planes that allow us to fly in the air. Not only that we have created planes large enough to carry over hundred passengers to their destinations.

But these are technological advancements, not biological advancements, because we are still incapable of flying ourselves through natural development.

Birds developed naturally with wings strong enough to propel themselves and keep themselves in the air, because they are naturally “selected” and therefore have natural capabilities to fly.

Bats are winged mammals, and they developed natural capabilities to fly, so they were naturally selected to fly.

But of course, having wings don’t mean the capability for flight, such as the ostriches, emus, chickens, and penguins.

And yet, penguins are naturally selected to be able to swim more effectively and efficiently than other birds.

While swans and ducks are capable of flying and swimming, but these birds only float on the water surface, and pedalled to get where they are going on water at a very sluggish pace, but they are not as natural swimmers like the penguins.

Mammals that have developed natural capabilities to swim better than us humans, such as whales, dolphins, seals, etc, are more naturally selected than humans, when it comes to water travel.

And while humans can swim, we weren’t naturally developed to stay in water in indefinite period of time.

But we have developed ships that keep us travelling on water, at greater distance and at greater speeed than if we were swimming. But that again, have more to with us developing the technology to travel on water, we have not naturally developed capabilities.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
I didn't discuss God or Gods, but that an intelligent design

Why not be honest and admit that your "intelligent designer" is God? Are we supposed to think that you believe the "intelligent designer" is an octopus?

The nonsense about IDer's not being Creationists was settled years ago In Kitzmiller v. Dover.
God or X or whatever.
No. Not "God or X or whatever." You are referring to your God. The Christian God. Why the silly attempt at obfuscation?
 

gnostic

The Lost One
No, it's you the atheist who are annoyed.



How silly you that you think that science is for the atheists and if that the theists are ignorants.
Sorry, but shunyadragon is actually a theist, FearGod.

The differences between you and shunyadragon is that he understand science better than you, and he understand that science and religion are not the same things, so he is capable of compartmentalizing them separately.

Whereas you have allowed your own religion and personal belief to cloud your judgement, shunyadragon hasn’t. You have allowed your belief to bias your understanding on nature, shunyadragon hasn’t.

There are other theists here, who understand science better than you, so it is rather narrow-minded of you to dump all theists who disagree with your opinion on science, as being “atheists”.

My advice to you, is to stop generalizing.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Sorry, but shunyadragon is actually a theist, FearGod.

The differences between you and shunyadragon is that he understand science better than you, and he understand that science and religion are not the same things, so he is capable of compartmentalizing them separately.

Whereas you have allowed your own religion and personal belief to cloud your judgement, shunyadragon hasn’t. You have allowed your belief to bias your understanding on nature, shunyadragon hasn’t.

There are other theists here, who understand science better than you, so it is rather narrow-minded of you to dump all theists who disagree with your opinion on science, as being “atheists”.

My advice to you, is to stop generalizing.

Prove by science that God has no rule in this universe, not able to see or trace
God doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

Atheists including what called himself as Bahai claiming that science is with them, but
no science is with no one, science can't prove who did it and how this universe came to be.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
How silly you that you think that science is for the atheists and if that the theists are ignorants.

I did not say ;theists are ignorant. It is those that reject science for their own fundamentalist agenda that are the problem.

Cite me correctly.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Prove by science that God has no rule in this universe, not able to see or trace
God doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

Atheists including what called himself as Bahai claiming that science is with them, but
no science is with no one, science can't prove who did it and how this universe came to be.

Very disjoint and incoherent. I am a Baha'i, and believe in God. The Baha'i Faith believes in the harmony of science and religion. I am also a scientist (geologist and soil scientist.) who understands very well how many fundamentalist Christians dishonestly misrepresent science and selectively accept and reject science to suit their own agenda.

I accept science as science is. The disciplines of the knowledge of our physical existence.
 
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FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
I did not say ;theists are ignorant. It is those that reject science for their own fundamentalist agenda that are the problem.

Cite me correctly.

No one rejects science, it's your silly attempts to show theists as ignorants,
Show me where I rejected science.

I understand that evolution is a fact, I believe this universe has a founder, whereas
you believe it doesn't need a founder.

If you don't believe that God exists and that he's the founder of this universe then
how you're a Bahai, or just blind faith as the rest of the Bahais.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Very disjoint and incoherent. I am a Baha'i, and believe in God. The Baha'i Faith believes in the harmony of science and religion. I am also a scientist (geologist and soil scientist.) who understands very well how many fundamentalist Christians dishonestly misrepresent science and selectively accept and reject science to suit their own agenda.

Do you believe that God planned for man to exist?
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Do you believe that God planned for man to exist?

Yes, but the BIG difference here is I do not predetermine how God 'planned things.'.I believe the sciences of the physical nature of our existence are reflection of God's methods of Creation. Creation is a constantly evolving cyclic changing universe and possibly many universes over billions of years or more..

Those who believe in the necessity of Intelligent Design from the human perspective, assert that nature is a 'random process' that could not result in life more the less humanity. The nature of our existence is not a random process, it is governed by Natural Laws, and randomness plays no causative role. In fact, the variation of cause and effect outcomes are fractal within the constraints of Natural Laws. What we are a witness of is God's Natural Laws bringing about nature and humanity in a natural way.
 
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FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Yes, but the BIG difference here is I do not predetermine how God 'planned things.'.I believe the sciences of the physical nature of our existence are reflection of God's methods of Creation. Creation is a constantly evolving cyclic changing universe and possibly many universes over billions of years or more..

Did I say that God created life and humans by magic? where did I pretend to
know how God created things?
 
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