Human Animals?

[Kfox]

We absolutely are equal in every way to those apes. And thinking otherwise has led to more problems, then solutions.

I disagree with you, and on post #68 I explained why. We obviously disagree with each other; concerning what I wrote on post #68, tell me where I've gone wrong.

 

[Kfox]

No. You asked if I would consider you evil. You understand the difference between doing something wrong or not okay to being evil, yes?

If I recall correctly, I asked if you would consider me evil for doing this, and would you judge a male lion the same if he did this to a female lion. You still haven't answered the question.

 

[Little Dragon]

I disagree with you, and on post #68 I explained why. We obviously disagree with each other; concerning what I wrote on post #68, tell me where I've gone wrong.

Do you like fruit? Apes love fruit. I don't like fruit personally. I ate an orange once. Yuk.

 

[Kfox]

Do you like fruit? Apes love fruit. I don't like fruit personally. I ate an orange once. Yuk.

You said they are equal to us? What standard do you use when you say they are equal to us?

 

[SalixIncendium]

If I recall correctly, I asked if you would consider me evil for doing this, and would you judge a male lion the same if he did this to a female lion. You still haven't answered the question.

Correct.

 

[The Hammer]

Do you believe humans to be superior to all other animals? I do.

Nope, wrong we are all equal. Some have strengths we don't have and vice versa.

I base this on the fact that humans are intelligent; what I mean by intelligent is we learn from those who came before us,

So do animals, as they teach nad nurture their young.

and add to it; then we teach our young what we learned and they take that knowledge even further.

So do animals. They pass on lessons to their offspring. Foods to eat, places and threats to avoid, how to avoid predator detection, or how to find and identify their prey, and appropriate hunting and stalking strategies.

Non humans don’t do that; they just learn from their parents, and they don’t take it any further

Taking it further isn't a sign of intelligence it's a sign of egotism. Parents teaching their children is intellect.

. That’s why if it were possible to bring a dog from 500 years ago, to the present; that dog would fit right in with today’s dogs. But you take a human from 500 years ago, and bring to the present, he would be lost among modern humans.

I actually don't think the human would be all that phased. A little surprised with the advances sure, but we haven't all changed that much as a species in our interactions. Humans are still human. In fact the dog would be just as confused by all the new fangled tech, like flushing toilets, the garbage disposal, nad televisions. But it would fit in as well as a human would.

IMO our ability to expand knowledge from one generation to the next makes us better than those creatures unable to do it.

Sure we're better at gathering and storing knowledge, so what? That doesn't make one intelligent. J

What about you? Do you find humans superior to all other animals? Or equal. What do you base that on?

Equal, based on the fact that we are animals as well. Our cognitive abilities don't make us superior, just different.

 

[The Hammer]

You said they are equal to us? What standard do you use when you say they are equal to us?

No standards needed that's kinda the point of equality. No standards on who or what is superior/inferior with regards to how they are treated.

 

[Little Dragon]

You said they are equal to us? What standard do you use when you say they are equal to us?

Equally valid aspects of the global ecosystem. Be you a worm or an eagle or whatever.

 

[Kfox]

Nope, wrong we are all equal. Some have strengths we don't have and vice versa.


So do animals, as they teach nad nurture their young.



So do animals. They pass on lessons to their offspring. Foods to eat, places and threats to avoid, how to avoid predator detection, or how to find and identify their prey, and appropriate hunting and stalking strategies.


Taking it further isn't a sign of intelligence it's a sign of egotism. Parents teaching their children is intellect.



I actually don't think the human would be all that phased. A little surprised with the advances sure, but we haven't all changed that much as a species in our interactions. Humans are still human. In fact the dog would be just as confused by all the new fangled tech, like flushing toilets, the garbage disposal, nad televisions. But it would fit in as well as a human would.



Sure we're better at gathering and storing knowledge, so what? That doesn't make one intelligent. J



Equal, based on the fact that we are animals as well. Our cognitive abilities don't make us superior, just different.

No standards needed that's kinda the point of equality. No standards on who or what is superior/inferior with regards to how they are treated.

So I gather according to you, the fact that we all eat, sleep, and crap makes us all equal, and what we do when we are not eating, sleeping, or crapping is irrelevant? If this is your view, I guess we can agree to disagree; I find the entirety of what we do a legitimate way of judging value.
What about morality? Do you judge people according to the same standard that you judge all other creatures? Or do you judge us to a higher moral standard due to us being human?

 

[Kfox]

Equally valid aspects of the global ecosystem. Be you a worm or an eagle or whatever.

You do realize mankind has a far, far, far greater effect on the global ecosystem than all those other creatures combined..... do you?

 

[Little Dragon]

You do realize mankind has a far, far, far greater effect on the global ecosystem than all those other creatures combined..... do you?

That is utter nonsense. Laughable. Absurd. Ridiculous. Ignorant.

 

[Little Dragon]

What about morality? Do you judge people according to the same standard that you judge all other creatures? Or do you judge us to a higher moral standard due to us being human?

Morality is an abstract human construct. What kind of benchmark is that?

 

[SalixIncendium]

That is utter nonsense. Laughable.

It's true, though. We are by far superior to other species at burning through natural resources, displacing other species, and leaving a wake of destruction.

 

[Little Dragon]

It's true, though. We are by far superior to other species at burning through natural resources, displacing other species, and leaving a wake of destruction.

It's laughable. Humans would be extinct in months, if phytoplankton stopped existing. Humans are at the top of the food chain, and therefore utterly surplus. Yes they devastate ecological systems, that they are WHOLLY dependent on. Humans have almost no value to any ecosystem.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Humans would be extinct in months, if phytoplankton stopped existing.

Also if bees stopped existing.

And my previous post was tongue-in-cheek.

 

[Little Dragon]

Also bees.

Indeed and other pollinators. If Earthworms died out, humans would starve in their hundreds of millions, as agricultural yields dropped through the floor.
Humans are dependent on thousands of species.
Humans have no one relying on them to survive, except their enslaved farm animals.

 

[Little Dragon]

And my previous post was tongue-in-cheek.

I thought so. Humans can wreak devastation on ecologies as can other species, especially invasive ones. However an extended period of mass volcanism could do far more damage in a year, than humanity could do in centuries. As historical records can and do show. With previous mass extinction events.

 

[SalixIncendium]

I thought so. Humans can wreak devastation on ecologies as can other species, especially invasive ones. However an extended period of mass volcanism could do far more damage in a year, than humanity could do in centuries. As historical records can and do show. With previous mass extinction events.

Yes, but I can't seem to find volcanoes on any taxonomy chart.

 

[Little Dragon]

Yes, but I can't seem to find volcanoes on any taxonomy chart.

True. I was just saying that humans are not the only ones who can reset things. The planet herself can do it, with lava. "All powerful" Humanity, would be unable to veto that decision!

 

[Kfox]

That is utter nonsense. Laughable. Absurd. Ridiculous. Ignorant.

What else has impacted our ecosystem to a greater extent than mankind.

Morality is an abstract human construct. What kind of benchmark is that?

I disagree. When a pack of wolves take down a prey, the pack leader eats first while all the other wolves wait till he is done before they dive in. How is that different than human morality? I think all pack animals have a type of morality that they live by.