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"Humans are born as atheists"
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Generally agnosticism doesn't mean just "undecided." The agnostic is quite certain about the truth value of the proposed "god": it is unknown, because no such thing is in evidence.
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
Sure, yes I get it.
My point was a baby can't have this level of understanding of anything, so a baby, IMO, can't be considered agnostic about anything.
First Baseman
Retired athlete
True. I guess we just consider them ignorant until they are old enough to understand such things.
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
Hmmm, when you put it that way using the word ignorant, it makes me want to say they are actually theists.
ZING! Just kidding folks, don't get all warn-y on me now.
First Baseman
Retired athlete
Hmmm, when you put it that way using the word ignorant, it makes me want to say they are actually theists.
ZING! Just kidding folks, don't get all warn-y on me now.
A little humor is what this place needs more of.
We describe babies as "non" things all the time. When we talk about the impact of smoking on non-smokers, we include the impact on babies. When we talk about civilian (i.e. non-military) deaths in a war, we include the babies who are killed.
Why do you say that atheism is a "stance"?
"Atheist" doesn't mean "someone who understands the world in pragmatic terms." Adapted to your terminology, it would mean something like "someone doesn't understand the world in theologic terms"... which would include people who don't understand the world in ANY terms.
Of course not, just as a rock is not a theist! Of course, as something incapable of true thought, it is not an atheist either
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Babies just are. Of course they really aren't a quiet fully a "blank slate" given genetic predispositions, but they don't even have the idea of object permanence down yet. How can you call someone who only knows how to eat, poop, sleep, cry, and imitate an atheist or theist, especially when they don't even have a sense of self-awareness?
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
IOW, the baby is a civilian. It's not "non-military." We say, "My baby is a girl," not, "My baby is a 'not-male.'" We say, "My baby is a US citizen." We don't say, "My baby is a 'not-Russian, not-French, not-British, not-Somalia, etc. ad nauseum citizen." In fact, I don't even think you can correctly say, "My baby is a vegan," since "vegan" entails a choice to not eat animal products. You can correctly say, "My baby is being reared vegan." Similarly, I don't think we can correctly say, "My baby is a Christian," even if it's been baptized. It's more correct to say, "We're rearing our child in the church."
"Atheist" is, I think, a stance, because it's "anti-something." In order to be a-theist, one has to have some cognizance of theism -- or even of non-theism. Because atheism is an "ism," it's a concept -- and one that babies don't yet have. Neither are babies theists, for the same reason: "theist" involves cognition of certain concepts. Until a being is able to be sentient enough, differentiated enough, and cognizant enough of the world around her/him -- until they, themselves can say, "I am blah blah blah," they cannot correctly be referred to as anything other than a human being.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Human were being born when Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism people, whatever the denomination, whether week or strong, were not yet born. It is therefore a pertinent and very important question from such people:
When was the first Atheist born?
Regards
I've seen this. It's a massive leap for them to assume this is a sacred ritual.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Someone who doesn't believe in god. But you can't have a belief or disbelief if you aren't even aware of your self.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
But you'd first have to understand that there's a concept called "gods" before you can "not believe in them." One can't "not believe in" something they don't even know is a thing. Belief is a choice. Awareness isn't a choice. Babies are not aware of deities. When they become aware of such concepts, they then choose whether to believe those concepts.
Not even then. My mother teaches first grade and gets rambling fundamentalist Christian children. They may say they are Christian, but really they're just programmed by their parents to understand themselves in such a way.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
No, you weren't "non-fans." You were human beings who were unaware of sports collectives and the concept of fanaticism over them.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
paarsurrey said: ↑
When was the first Atheist born? The Atheists cannot tell.
Regards
When was the first Atheist born? The Atheists cannot tell.
G-d always existed, so it is the most relevant question to be asked from the Atheism people.
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