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Humans did NOT evolve from the common ancestor of Apes

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
Yet you're not able to bring forth any competing evidence that refutes the genomic results.




Yet many of your fellow biblical creation believers believe that two people (the biblical Adam and Eve -his clone) are responsible for all of the biodiversity of every living human on the planet.

That out of one human (Adam), and let's face it...Eve was a clone/twin (however that's supposed to work)....that out of one human DNA strand they gave rise to the many ethnic populations on the planet today? So you assume that proven bio-diversification as presented time and time again through our shared ancestry is a farce and a lie compared to your book's version of life on the planet..? Come on.

I don't have to. It's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. I can't believe anyone would support it.

I never said Eve was a twin. You must have me confused with someone else. However I suppose that Eve could have been Adam's clone. She was made from the rib of Adam. It certainly makes logical sense that she was a clone, but I don't have any real evidence to support that belief. I'm content not knowing the minuscule details. God is in control, and I'm quite comfortable knowing that.
 
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Sonofason

Well-Known Member
I'm actually quite surprised that they haven't abandoned their current ship for the much more supportable one using DNA as their "Fingerprints of Creation" argument. It at least gives them a talking point...

psst: You're welcome, fatalists.

I'm happy to just let you stew on it yourself.
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
Then you've proven my point. Your god has to "decide to create", it has to go through elaborate schemes to produce another human from the first one, it gets mad at its creation, it seems to not know where its creation is, what it has done. Your god becomes angry at its creation. It is described as a vengeful god and a jealous god. It kills it's creation for doing something it seemed to not know it was going to do...your god is said to be the one who stands in judgement of his creation......

But to what end and what is the point of an all knowing, all seeing god if it fails so miserably at the above.....All of the above are human qualities and creations of a god. In order for you to know a supposed all knowing and all seeing and all powerful god, as described by followers, you've given it human qualities. So if your god is all of those things as I said above, and yes each of these characteristics of your god is in your scripture, then that god is inept at being (all powerful, all knowing, all seeing).......


See my above statement. Your god acts as a petulant child throwing a temper tantrum in the toy isle because it can't get what it wants.


To what end if your god knows the outcome of all things. For a god to do such a thing shows it isn't all knowing or all powerful....or what it really shows is that man has a great imagination to create this god.


You've given your god human qualities....You've given him a heart, emotions and feelings. You've bestowed upon it a lack of awareness.......yet you preach scripture to me as if I'm supposed to believe the rantings of feeble minded farmers creating fictitious stories.... :rolleyes:


Your god is no different than any other "human"....given how you describe it.

Sorry, I can't help how you think and perceive the truth. God made you that way. It's between you and Him.
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
Tis an opinion nothing more. That opinion is based on your own scripture. And for the record I'm not interested in converting people to atheism.

Well, I can't really say I share your sentiments. I'd like to see everyone in heaven one day. It's something I hope for. I know it wont happen, but I still have a little hope for everyone.
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
Here's your precious KJ:
"Genesis 1-2:20King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;

12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him."

Nowhere in the text is anything said about "multiverses," "big bang," "multiple worlds" (ours/Adam's), or anything else you claim it does. This is all complete fabrication borne out of misapprehension.


I've been saying that to you for weeks now.

The NRSV does "agree with what's written," because it is "what's written." Nonetheless, I even used your precious KJV. It clearly lacks what you claim it contains.

Hah! All bibles have "changed" in some way.

I've been saying that to you for weeks, as well.

Actually, there were four words spoken by God that likely culminated in the Big Bang. God said, "Let there be Light." Bang!!!!!

What do you think came out of the big bang first?
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
Sadly not. If your hypothesis is the conclusion - then you can never know if it is correct, and are demonstrating that you do not care if it is correct or not.

So you are saying, because you just said it so clear, that a conclusion that supports the hypothesis is false.

Please don't go into any of the science fields. It would be a disaster.
 

Epigram

Member
Dear Readers, It is impossible for Humans to have evolved from the common ancestor of Apes since Humans were made long before ANY other living creature. Adam, the common ancestor of ALL Humans was made the THIRD Day. Gen 2:4-7 Jesus made Adam of the dust of the ground BEFORE the first Stars of our Universe put forth their light on the FOURTH Day. Gen 1:16

This means that the common ancestor of Apes, on our Earth, lived Billions of years AFTER Adam, the first Human was made, according to Scripture. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

Why do you think research done thousands of years ago and presented as the most likely cause of our creation at the time but is now woefully out of date and thoroughly debunked is somehow not out of date or debunked but now accurate?

I am using a fifth edition of a calculus textbook currently and I am assuming that is because the last four editions had errors that have since been corrected. Falling back on the bible as an edition of truth seems odd because it doesn't seem to be an instructional manual but more of a philosophical story. Are you mistaking it for a book of science that explains existence rather that what it is? Even if it is a sacred religious tome those stories need interpretation and may possibly be simple metaphors and allegories for deeper meanings. I don't think it was the end all of discovery. I think if god exists he wants us to be curious and keep looking and discovering not just the nature of ourselves but of the universe as well. Do you think god wrote that book to stifle discovery and exploration of our world?
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
Actually, there were four words spoken by God that likely culminated in the Big Bang. God said, "Let there be Light." Bang!!!!!

What do you think came out of the big bang first?

Well according to cosmologists it took about 400,000 years for the universe to cool down enough for light to exist. So the first light comes 400,000 years after the Big Bang.

So unfortunately the bible got that wrong.
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
Well according to cosmologists it took about 400,000 years for the universe to cool down enough for light to exist. So the first light comes 400,000 years after the Big Bang.

So unfortunately the bible got that wrong.

You didn't answer my question.
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
So you are saying, because you just said it so clear, that a conclusion that supports the hypothesis is false.

Please don't go into any of the science fields. It would be a disaster.

You claim to be honest, but that is the third time now that you have deliberately misrepresented what I said to you (bearing false witness). No mate, I made no such claim - and you know it.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Well according to cosmologists it took about 400,000 years for the universe to cool down enough for light to exist. So the first light comes 400,000 years after the Big Bang.

So unfortunately the bible got that wrong.

You said that too quick.
'Let there be light' is not s simple as it first appears.

It is first a statement of existence.
I consider it to synonymous to.....I AM!

AND it need not be a quick action.
So what if it took a while for the expansion to gel into fusion?
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Oh! btw.....
Humans did not evolve from the ape.

See Chapter Two of Genesis.
It was an act of manipulation.
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
I can't help but think that the saddest irony here is that so much of the science being mocked and demonised, the big bang, evolution and abiogenesis along with taxonomy was established by decent, intelligent and honorable Christians who were scientists
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
You claim to be honest, but that is the third time now that you have deliberately misrepresented what I said to you (bearing false witness). No mate, I made no such claim - and you know it.

If I have truly done that, you have my most sincere apology.

At the time, it seemed pretty obvious to me what you were saying. Sorry that I got it wrong. Perhaps you could try to be more clear.
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
I can't help but think that the saddest irony here is that so much of the science being mocked and demonised, the big bang, evolution and abiogenesis along with taxonomy was established by decent, intelligent and honorable Christians who were scientists

I sure hope your not speaking of me, because you know darn well that I have never mocked nor diminished, any of those theories. It would be a blatant lie if such a statement were directed at me, that is of course, me forgetting that you have already thrown such false accusations towards me, and more than once. I will forget that, and just reassure you that you are not referring to me.
 
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