Dear Sapiens, What does that have to do with the Fact that you, nor any other worshipper of the False ToE, have NO evidence which supports your Godless view? God Bless you.
In Love,
Aman
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Humans did NOT evolve from the common ancestor of Apes
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Dear Sapiens, What does that have to do with the Fact that you, nor any other worshipper of the False ToE, have NO evidence which supports your Godless view? God Bless you.
In Love,
Aman
McBell
Unbound
Ignoring the evidence does not make it go away.
Any deity that approves of your bold faced lies is a deity I want nothing to do with.
McBell
Unbound
If pretending evidence for evolution doesn't exist lets you sleep at night. People didn't just imagine evolution like people imagined gods. It is evolution that made people start speculating that humans evolved and weren't created.
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
Sorry, but you are wrong Aman. It is clear from the Genesis account that God created plants on the third day and then created creatures in the water and on the land on the fifth and sixth day. According to the Genesis account, God created Man last and that does more or less agree with evolution if we are to use the whole account metaphorically. The Genesis 2:4-7 that you are referencing just does not fit into the picture. Does Genesis 2:4-7 negate what the bible says God created on day three?
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Dear Runewolf, Adam was made BEFORE the plants on the 3rd Day.
Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
The Earth was made the 3rd Day. Gen 1:9-10
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
See? Adam was formed of the dust of the ground AFTER Adam's Earth was made but BEFORE the plants, herbs, rain and TREES, as the next verses confirm.
8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom He had formed.9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
The TREES grew on the THIRD Day. Gen 1:12
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after His kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after His kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
Try again? God Bless you.
In Love,
Aman
Nothing you posted in reference to the bible says that. Bible says humans were made the sixth day. Adam was a human wasn't he?
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
Not possible. If there were no plants producing oxygen, there would be nothing for Adam to breathe. Plants came first, then creatures, then Man. Go back and read Genesis again. I believe that Genesis 2:4-7 is referring specifically to the Garden of Eden, not the rest of the Earth which was already producing plants and animals. If you were to read Genesis properly, it actually (metaphorically of course) supports evolution...form the simplest forms that arose in the waters to the most complex forms that came forth unto land.
Dear idav, Adam was as Christians will be in heaven. He was in an everlasting body with a Shekinah Glory like that of the LORD. Gen 3:7 Adam lived for 3 of God's Days or Ages and each Day is some 4.5 Billion years in length. Not only was Adam FIRST made, but he was made Billions of years BEFORE life was created and brought forth from the Water on the 5th Day, Gen 1:21 which was some 13.7 Billion years ago, in man's time, according to Science.
Gen 1:27 and Gen 5:1-2 show that Adam AND Eve were "created" in God's Image at the SAME time, on the present 6th Day. ALL Humans live and die on the present 6th Day, which will NOT end until the prophecy of Gen 1:30 is fulfilled and that will NOT happen until AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth and changes all creatures into Vegetarians. Gen 1:30 God Bless you.
In Love,
Aman
Dear Runewolf, Believe anything you wish, but IF you wish to be Scripturally, Scientifically, and Historically correct, then you MUST read it for what it says, instead of what some goatherder THOUGHT it said, 3k years ago. What you believe is Blind Faith in the goatherder's Theology, since it is NOT what is written, and is NOT God's Truth. God Bless you.
In Love,
Aman
Thief
Rogue Theologian
The resemblance is permanent.
But so too the differences.
Look in the mirror and call yourself an ape........does that work for you?
And the Genesis account was written in a time when such things were beyond understanding.....yet the people believed.
In this time we know Chapter Two can be done.
What's your excuse for not believing?
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
So in other words all of this (the entire first chapter of Genesis) is just something some goatherder made up...
Chapter 1
[1:1] In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth,
[1:2] the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.
[1:3] Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.
[1:4] And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.
[1:5] God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
[1:6] And God said, "Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters."
[1:7] So God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome. And it was so.
[1:8] God called the dome Sky. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.
[1:9] And God said, "Let the waters under the sky be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear." And it was so.
[1:10] God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
[1:11] Then God said, "Let the earth put forth vegetation: plants yielding seed, and fruit trees of every kind on earth that bear fruit with the seed in it." And it was so.
[1:12] The earth brought forth vegetation: plants yielding seed of every kind, and trees of every kind bearing fruit with the seed in it. And God saw that it was good.
[1:13] And there was evening and there was morning, the third day.
[1:14] And God said, "Let there be lights in the dome of the sky to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years,
[1:15] and let them be lights in the dome of the sky to give light upon the earth." And it was so.
[1:16] God made the two great lights - the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night - and the stars.
[1:17] God set them in the dome of the sky to give light upon the earth,
[1:18] to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.
[1:19] And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day.
[1:20] And God said, "Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the dome of the sky."
[1:21] So God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, of every kind, with which the waters swarm, and every winged bird of every kind. And God saw that it was good.
[1:22] God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth."
[1:23] And there was evening and there was morning, the fifth day.
[1:24] And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures of every kind: cattle and creeping things and wild animals of the earth of every kind." And it was so.
[1:25] God made the wild animals of the earth of every kind, and the cattle of every kind, and everything that creeps upon the ground of every kind. And God saw that it was good.
[1:26] Then God said, "Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."
[1:27] So God created humankind in his image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
[1:28] God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth."
[1:29] God said, "See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food.
[1:30] And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food." And it was so.
[1:31] God saw everything that he had made, and indeed, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.
Probably it is what some goatherder wrote, but it still describes how plants arose on the Earth before creatures and creatures of the waters and the land arose before Man appeared. Clearly Man appeared first later in the overall scheme of things and this holds true for evolution as well.
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
So God created plant life on HIS third day.
I don't see that it says He did it here on this planet.
Earth is a substance...not a location.
That we humans were thinking in immediate location ( and many of us still do)....
It does not reduce the Creator's handiwork.
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Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
So you don't actually take the Bible literally? Then why should we take God literally?
I'm just going by what it says in the Bible....the Earth brought forth vegetation on the third day. You can take it however you want, but to say that the Earth in Genesis was not THIS Earth we know now might be putting words in God's mouth.
Remember this...?
Revelation 22:18-19
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
Someone had to be first in mind and heart.
I believe that would be the Creator.
Now believing in Something Greater might seem difficult......but....
That Something might come your way later and you will have to deal with IT.
If you can't skip to the overall picture , the smaller picture is no more than one piece of the puzzle....and you can't see the rest of it.
So what if green things existed before this planet?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
and the curse dealt in Revelation deals with that prophecy only.
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
I'm not skipping anything. You and Aman are both adding your own little tidbits to what is supposed to be the Word of God. God say's "this is the way" and you guys are saying "that's not what he meant". You are twisting the Word of God around to suit you personal ideas of how things happened rather than just taking it the way it is.
God created the Earth, the plants, and the creatures of the land and sea BEFORE he created Man. Stop twisting it around.
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
So you are free to twist around any other words in the Bible you feel like? Like you do with Genesis?
The Biblical canon is basically just the words of ancient goatherders, far as I'm concerned.
Besides, you've not provided any real findings of the sciences or of history. Just strange scramblings of two ancient accounts that have very little to do with each other beyond coming from the same general region.