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Humans did NOT evolve from the common ancestor of Apes
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Dear Quaxotic, Close. Adam's Earth was a completely enclosed Biosphere, which was made on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:9-10 His Earth was within the firmament which surrounded Adam's world, and protected it from the Water, into which it was placed on the 2nd Day. Gen 1:6-8
Adam's Earth was much smaller than our world and the highest elevation was but 22 1/2 feet. Gen 7:20 The first Earth had only FOUR Rivers which came from the water which was in the Garden of Eden. Gen 2:10 Our Earth has thousands of Rivers. Adam's Earth was "clean dissolved" in the Flood Isaiah 24:19 but that is impossible with our Earth since it is a ROCK. Adam's Earth was NOT the same as our Earth.
The windows in the top of the firmament were opened and it rained for 40 days and night, and the firmament began to sink, in Lake Van, Turkey, some 10k years ago. A 450 ft. covered Barge came out the top of the firmament into Lake Van, and brought Adam's Human intelligence to the Cavemen who were already here when the Ark arrived into our Biosphere. Human Civilization developed in the whole world, from the Ark. Noah is the missing link between Humans and people who evolved from the common ancestor of Apes.
Gen 2:4-7 shows that Adam was formed of the dust of the ground on the SAME Day the first Earth was made but BEFORE the plants, herbs and Trees GREW. Gen 1:9-13 identifies this Day as the THIRD Day, the SAME Day as the Big Bang of our Cosmos. God Bless you.
In Love,
Aman
Dear Sapiens, How can you be so sure, since NO man knows what Gopher wood is? That's because it doesn't grow on our Planet, but it did grow on Adam's world, which was totally dissolved in the Flood. Perhaps it was stronger than Steel. I can hardly wait to see the look of those faces who find out that God's Holy Word is the Truth in every way. God Bless you.
In Love,
Aman
When intended as an insult, it's because of an inherent misunderstanding.
Excuse me, but we're talking about animals, not slaves.
Besides, most humans have already long domesticated themselves. That also does not necessarily require collars. Dogs have collars for easy identification; unnecessary with speech. Domestic cats oftentimes don't have collars, because they're much more independent.
Trust me: if I end up in the Christian Heaven (I hope to the Gods I don't), and they try treating me like a slave, I'll REALLY go wild on them.
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And what is good and evil?
I have not seen any indication that this statement in any way reflects reality.
I seriously doubt you even know what the sciences are all about. The sciences, for one, are NOT infallible. Every time you've brought up any scientific knowledge, as far as I can tell it's always severely outdated.
Okay. So, it appears that the water levels for that lake are in constant fluctuation. As a result, you cannot judge it to be fit for any kind of boat based on its current appearance. Such a judgment is ridiculous, even without that fact.
It's also unclear as to exactly what Ambrosia and Soma are. Lack of clarity does not, in any way, indicate extraterrestrial origin.
Besides, scholars have plenty of ideas as to what it might have been referring to, all of them FAR more likely than extraterrestrial origin.
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Dear Riverwold, Human intelligence is the Ability to know both good and evil.
Dear Riverwolf, ONLY God is good. Anything apart from Him is subject to Death.
Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou Me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
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Elephants, like ALL other living creatures, were created long AFTER Adam was made, making it impossible for them to become Humans. It's the same with all animals, including Apes.
Sure it does. when Noah's descendants arrived on our Earth, they used their superior Human intelligence to Farm in the Valleys of Northern Mesopotamia, the Cradle of Human Civilization on this Planet. Then came commerce, city building, math, and writing, and EVERY other modern Human trait had it's origin EXACTLY where God tells us the Ark arrived on this Planet of the descendants of prehistoric people who were NOT Humans. Below is empirical evidence of the arrival of the FIRST Humans on our Earth:
Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE
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I read Genesis to prove it wrong and found out that the information there was so far advanced to 2014, that it was impossible for a 3k year old man to have written it, while getting EVERY scientific Truth correct.
That's the problem with a lot of Evols. They take the namby pamby approach of trying to attack the messanger, from the flanks. I've posted that the ESA will confirm this year that we do indeed, live in a Multiverse. Genesis tells us the SAME thing. Gen 1:6-8 shows that the FIRST Heaven was made the Second Day.
Gen 2:4 shows that other HeavenS (Plural) were made the THIRD Day.
That's at least THREE Heavens or Universes within our Multiverse, which will soon be confirmed by the Europeans, since the "do nothing" Repubs cut the money off from NASA to complete the L.I.S.A. Mission.
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Dear Riverwolf, Go here: Lake Van - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In Love,
Aman
That's strange since a Ferry has been running there for years, thus refuting your personal opinion.
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Dear Sapiens, How can you be so sure, since NO man knows what Gopher wood is?
What extraterrestrial origin are you speaking of? The FIRST firmament, the Boundary of Adam's world, which protected it from the water in which it was placed, was floating in Lake Van, Turkey, until the windows on top were opened and it rained for 40 days and nights BEFORE the Ark was lifted up from Adam's world, and later escaped that world, into the mountains of Ararat in Lake Van, Turkey. The Firmament, along with the Soil of Adam's world, was "clean dissolved" in the Flood which totally destroyed Adam's world. Isaiah 24:19 Haven't you read the story? God Bless you.
In Love,
Aman
Originally Posted by Aman777
Dear Riverwold, Human intelligence is the Ability to know both good and evil.
Dear Riverwolf, ONLY God is good. Anything apart from Him is subject to Death.
Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou Me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
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Elephants, like ALL other living creatures, were created long AFTER Adam was made, making it impossible for them to become Humans. It's the same with all animals, including Apes.
Sure it does. when Noah's descendants arrived on our Earth, they used their superior Human intelligence to Farm in the Valleys of Northern Mesopotamia, the Cradle of Human Civilization on this Planet. Then came commerce, city building, math, and writing, and EVERY other modern Human trait had it's origin EXACTLY where God tells us the Ark arrived on this Planet of the descendants of prehistoric people who were NOT Humans. Below is empirical evidence of the arrival of the FIRST Humans on our Earth:
Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE
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I read Genesis to prove it wrong and found out that the information there was so far advanced to 2014, that it was impossible for a 3k year old man to have written it, while getting EVERY scientific Truth correct.
That's the problem with a lot of Evols. They take the namby pamby approach of trying to attack the messanger, from the flanks. I've posted that the ESA will confirm this year that we do indeed, live in a Multiverse. Genesis tells us the SAME thing. Gen 1:6-8 shows that the FIRST Heaven was made the Second Day.
Gen 2:4 shows that other HeavenS (Plural) were made the THIRD Day.
That's at least THREE Heavens or Universes within our Multiverse, which will soon be confirmed by the Europeans, since the "do nothing" Repubs cut the money off from NASA to complete the L.I.S.A. Mission.
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Dear Riverwolf, Go here: Lake Van - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In Love,
Aman
That's strange since a Ferry has been running there for years, thus refuting your personal opinion.
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Originally Posted by Aman777
Dear Sapiens, How can you be so sure, since NO man knows what Gopher wood is?
What extraterrestrial origin are you speaking of? The FIRST firmament, the Boundary of Adam's world, which protected it from the water in which it was placed, was floating in Lake Van, Turkey, until the windows on top were opened and it rained for 40 days and nights BEFORE the Ark was lifted up from Adam's world, and later escaped that world, into the mountains of Ararat in Lake Van, Turkey. The Firmament, along with the Soil of Adam's world, was "clean dissolved" in the Flood which totally destroyed Adam's world. Isaiah 24:19 Haven't you read the story? God Bless you.
In Love,
Aman
Thief
Rogue Theologian
And we do unto lesser things at will.
We bridle horses.....collar and chain dogs...cage little birds.....
Kill insects just because we don't like them.
Misunderstanding?......really?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
From another recent thread I quote myself.....
According to Psalms, Man was created a little less than the angels.
So what is Man that God is mindful of him?
I go on in my own way....
That Man is less, the angelic are bigger, faster, stronger, more intelligent and greatly experienced.
They cannot be pushed aside, circumvented, subdued, tricked or cheated.
They stand guard, the peace of heaven and with sword in hand.
Yet God said unto them......'Man is less than you are. Therefore stride behind him and see to it....that he stub not his toe nor his head!'
One third of heaven said ....'NAY! that Man is less then he should be made to serve us!'
There's nothing wrong with that logic.
We humans do so unto anything less than we are.
We bridle HORSES and break their spirits....force them to take us wherever we please.
The dog hunts in pack and at will.
But we take his freedom with collar and chain.
We forbid he bites the hand that feeds him.....and we expect loyalty.
We cage little birds for their love songs.
But that creature will never find the mate he sings for.
There will no nest, no offspring.
He will die in confinement....alone.
We kill insects, just because we don't like them.
To WHOM do we bear resemblance?!!!!!
We do unto lesser things as we please.
If they won't serve us they die....and many do so anyway.
We do so again, unto each other.
To WHOM do we bear resemblance?
A fight broke out...brother angle against brother angel.
One third of heaven fell for an argument for something that looks like us!
One third of heaven lost their positions for that argument.
They want us dead.
Two thirds of heaven lost their brethren for an argument for something that looks like us.
They might not care.....
And latter on, as we are brought to the table of the Lord and seated beside the angelic.....
what look shall they have in their eye?....as something less then sits where the lost brethren once held position?
Is it really fair?....to have lost your angelic brother and something less takes his place?
Butting this to the thread at hand.....are we evolved enough to share grace with the angelic?
According to Psalms, Man was created a little less than the angels.
So what is Man that God is mindful of him?
I go on in my own way....
That Man is less, the angelic are bigger, faster, stronger, more intelligent and greatly experienced.
They cannot be pushed aside, circumvented, subdued, tricked or cheated.
They stand guard, the peace of heaven and with sword in hand.
Yet God said unto them......'Man is less than you are. Therefore stride behind him and see to it....that he stub not his toe nor his head!'
One third of heaven said ....'NAY! that Man is less then he should be made to serve us!'
There's nothing wrong with that logic.
We humans do so unto anything less than we are.
We bridle HORSES and break their spirits....force them to take us wherever we please.
The dog hunts in pack and at will.
But we take his freedom with collar and chain.
We forbid he bites the hand that feeds him.....and we expect loyalty.
We cage little birds for their love songs.
But that creature will never find the mate he sings for.
There will no nest, no offspring.
He will die in confinement....alone.
We kill insects, just because we don't like them.
To WHOM do we bear resemblance?!!!!!
We do unto lesser things as we please.
If they won't serve us they die....and many do so anyway.
We do so again, unto each other.
To WHOM do we bear resemblance?
A fight broke out...brother angle against brother angel.
One third of heaven fell for an argument for something that looks like us!
One third of heaven lost their positions for that argument.
They want us dead.
Two thirds of heaven lost their brethren for an argument for something that looks like us.
They might not care.....
And latter on, as we are brought to the table of the Lord and seated beside the angelic.....
what look shall they have in their eye?....as something less then sits where the lost brethren once held position?
Is it really fair?....to have lost your angelic brother and something less takes his place?
Butting this to the thread at hand.....are we evolved enough to share grace with the angelic?
How many times are you going to post this? I've seen you post this dozens of times all over this site.
Besides, that is not what Christianity teaches as to why the angels fell from Heaven. I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Sounds like it's influenced by Islam.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I have no religion.....and I suspect the peace of heaven is guarded.
So....was there an object of point to be made?
You keep telling yourself that. Doesn't make it true.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
And to which religion do you think I hold to?
I have never heard congregation speak as I do.
McBell
Unbound
you hold to your own special dogma.
One that includes dogmatic denial of your very dogma.
based upon what little you keep repeating ad naseum here on RF, I would have to say you have as yet to think your dogma through very well.
Now comes you mantras...
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Likewise upon your shallow retorts.
Monk Of Reason
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He may have given shallow retorts but he is at least on the correct side of the argument. Humans DID evolve from apes and we are STILL apes.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I will never concede the argument.
All the many generations of life on this planet....and we have appeared in a relatively short space of evolution.
The divergence was more than a few turns of molecules.
I do find it notable that an account of manipulation was penned centuries before we humans could see the possibility.
and now that we can see it.....denial is not so simple.
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
You and others like you should stop putting humans on a pedestal as though we are somehow greater or more important than any other living creature on this planet. This is where half of the violence, cruelty, and ecological damage in the world stems from...our own self-righteous attitude. If all humans were atheists this world would be a much more peaceful place. Animals don't need a god or religion, why should we? Nature is the only "creator" we should really be showing our respects to.
We ARE and always will be apes and part of the animal kingdom.
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I didn't know being an ape is a derogatory term.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
And... God used a shrinkray to fit them all on there. And he put them into suspended animation. And then, God let dust and components from the Earth fly up in the air, and the pressure and the heat from the rain falling down made the components to mix and produce an epoxy that covered the boat and made it protected from the rain, water, and moist.... :areyoucra
It's kind'a fun to try to think sci-fi about Noah's ark and come up with some crazy solutions.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
It is to those who despise animals.
Something I've seen over the years, many people with very fundamentalist religious views tend to be less favorable to animals, while more liberal and open-minded tend to show more love and care for them, or have religious views that include animals in the grand scheme of things. I don't know why. Granted it's not 100% like that, but my impression that's more of it on either side. I think it has something to do with a fundamental view of what life is and what kind of life is important. If only human life is important, then animals are not. But if animals are included in the life concept and importance for a person, then they care more for them. Perhaps I'm wrong. It's just my impression.