Humans did NOT evolve from the common ancestor of Apes

[idav]

If we didn't evolve from apes then why do apes look like humans, they devolve from us? You know if we are some separate god like creature we shouldn't even look like mammals let alone apes. We would be like grays and not even resemble any earthly species to closely.

 

[idav]

It is to those who despise animals.

Something I've seen over the years, many people with very fundamentalist religious views tend to be less favorable to animals, while more liberal and open-minded tend to show more love and care for them, or have religious views that include animals in the grand scheme of things. I don't know why. Granted it's not 100% like that, but my impression that's more of it on either side. I think it has something to do with a fundamental view of what life is and what kind of life is important. If only human life is important, then animals are not. But if animals are included in the life concept and importance for a person, then they care more for them. Perhaps I'm wrong. It's just my impression.

I do get that same impression. As we open our hearts wider the unneeded boundaries that we build fall away. The lines we so distinctley draw to distinguish us from them gets blurred and the oneness and ancient connections can be drawn upon to be more accepting and loving.

 

[McBell]

Likewise upon your shallow retorts.

My replies are as deep as that being replied to.

Sad you do not understand that.

 

[vskipper]

I think I am deeply religious & love animals except cockroaches.

 

[vskipper]

If we didn't evolve from apes then why do apes look like humans, they devolve from us? You know if we are some separate god like creature we shouldn't even look like mammals let alone apes. We would be like grays and not even resemble any earthly species to closely.

Well there is the whole nephilim theory that man interbred with sons of God which some took to mean angels but it could just mean the originally created man.

Of course the devolve theory aint that far off either as some look more like apes than others. The wrestler HHH is a good example of this

 

[McBell]

I will never concede the argument.

No worries.
Most of us have grown accustomed to your repeating yourself ad naseum as though you were actually convincing someone other than yourself.

All the many generations of life on this planet....and we have appeared in a relatively short space of evolution.

The divergence was more than a few turns of molecules.

I do find it notable that an account of manipulation was penned centuries before we humans could see the possibility.

and now that we can see it.....denial is not so simple.

Wow.
I understand you chose spirit over substance in your merry go round dogma, but can't you at least suspend your dogma long enough to put some substance into your posts?

 

[Ouroboros]

If we didn't evolve from apes then why do apes look like humans, they devolve from us? You know if we are some separate god like creature we shouldn't even look like mammals let alone apes. We would be like grays and not even resemble any earthly species to closely.

Exactly.

Why is it that we share at least 20 ERVs in our genetic code with the chimpanzees? One of them is the faulty C-vitamin gene. The majority of animals produce their own C-vitamin. We don't. We have to eat it. It's a micronutrient that we have to have. Only a handful of animals don't produce their own C. All for different reasons. But humans and chimps have the exact same reason. A faulty gene that is identical. The chances of a mutation go wrong exactly the same way for both species is so small that it's pretty much impossible. The only viable explanation is that we share a common ancestor which had this faulty gene, or we shouldn't have the identical error. Now, one gene is enough to know the shared ancestry. But we share 20+ genes like that. And some 100 transposons on top of that. And I don't know how many unique markers. Many times we hear fundamentalists argue that the probability for this or that is so small that the only explanation is some intelligence behind it, well, in this case, the chances are so infinitesimal small that either God intended us to share all these unique and shared genetic errors (which would be ridiculous, God wanting us to share flawed genetic code?) or we share ancestry.

 

[Ouroboros]

I do get that same impression. As we open our hearts wider the unneeded boundaries that we build fall away. The lines we so distinctley draw to distinguish us from them gets blurred and the oneness and ancient connections can be drawn upon to be more accepting and loving.

True.

This is something based on psychology and sociology as well. The group-think. We vs them. This is how racism works as well. "They're not real humans, but we are, so we're better than them." This is not true love. If you truly love the world, you love yourself fully as well, and you will care for all life to your best ability.

 

[Ouroboros]

I think I am deeply religious & love animals except cockroaches.

Well, deeply religious might not be the same as fundamentalist. Also, there are religious views that incorporate all life as sacred and divine. So it's not generally just being deeply religious, but rather these fundamentalist monotheisms where the view that humans are special and animals are only here, put on Earth by God, to serve us. Also, many liberal and open-minded religious people can be very deeply religious, so it's not the depth of your faith that makes this animosity to animals happen, but rather what kind of faith. You just happens to have a good kind of faith, even so deeply.

For instance, many of the older pagan religions incorporated the importance of the life of the animals they had to kill and eat. They had traditions and procedures to send of the animal soul to the spirit world. They respected the animals and its life even though they had to kill it and eat it for sustenance. That's still deeply religious and still respecting the life of the animal. But I've seen the opposite in people (not everyone, but enough to make me see a trend) of the monotheistic religions where the salvation of my personal soul is important, but animals are just things that are here to be used. If you have a religion that allows the animals to be part of your worldview and make them important enough, you will have more respect for their lives. Also, you won't feel ashamed to be part of the animal world either. To see yourself as yet another animal won't disturb you anymore.

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Thinking a little more about it, I have met some non-believers who had no respect for animal life as well. Probably because they considered life to be worth nothing instead. *shrug* So perhaps it's more about the fundamental view of life rather than religious views, but religious views (or lack thereof) can influence that particular view.

 

[Thief]

If we didn't evolve from apes then why do apes look like humans, they devolve from us? You know if we are some separate god like creature we shouldn't even look like mammals let alone apes. We would be like grays and not even resemble any earthly species to closely.

In spite of the origins and the resemblances to lesser forms....
there's nothing like Man on this earth.

 

[Thief]

No worries.
Most of us have grown accustomed to your repeating yourself ad naseum as though you were actually convincing someone other than yourself.



Wow.
I understand you chose spirit over substance in your merry go round dogma, but can't you at least suspend your dogma long enough to put some substance into your posts?

Nothing here of substance.

 

[Aman777]

Quote:
Originally Posted by idav
If we didn't evolve from apes then why do apes look like humans, they devolve from us? You know if we are some separate god like creature we shouldn't even look like mammals let alone apes. We would be like grays and not even resemble any earthly species to closely.

Exactly.

Why is it that we share at least 20 ERVs in our genetic code with the chimpanzees? One of them is the faulty C-vitamin gene. The majority of animals produce their own C-vitamin. We don't. We have to eat it. It's a micronutrient that we have to have. Only a handful of animals don't produce their own C. All for different reasons. But humans and chimps have the exact same reason. A faulty gene that is identical. The chances of a mutation go wrong exactly the same way for both species is so small that it's pretty much impossible. The only viable explanation is that we share a common ancestor which had this faulty gene, or we shouldn't have the identical error. Now, one gene is enough to know the shared ancestry. But we share 20+ genes like that. And some 100 transposons on top of that. And I don't know how many unique markers. Many times we hear fundamentalists argue that the probability for this or that is so small that the only explanation is some intelligence behind it, well, in this case, the chances are so infinitesimal small that either God intended us to share all these unique and shared genetic errors (which would be ridiculous, God wanting us to share flawed genetic code?) or we share ancestry.

Dear Readers, Sounds like a really good argument for the evolution of the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) from the common ancestor of all life on our Earth...EXCEPT Human life. According to God, EVERY living creature that moves was created and brought forth from the Water, beginning some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time. It was on the FIFTH Day or Age, which was Yesterday to God. Gen 1:21

The above DNA connection is shown in Gen 6:1-4. Today's Humans are a Combination of the descendants of Adam AND prehistoric people who did NOT descend from Adam, but were here when Noah arrived 10k years ago.

Genesis 6 King James Version (KJV)

6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) saw the daughters of men (Adam) that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Notice that the LORD isn't happy about this and cuts Human lifetimes by almost 90%.

4 There were (intellectual) giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God (prehistoric man) came in unto the daughters of men, (Adam) and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

The Combination of Humans and preshistoric mankind creates Violent mankind, so violent, our lives have been cut to about 10% of our first Human ancestors. It's also evidence of HOW we inherited the unique Human intelligence of Adam...AND...the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of ALL life on our Planet.

Here's the problem which NO Evol can answer. HOW did ancient men, who lived thousands of years BEFORE Science, know how Human DNA was affected, so they wrote the above in Genesiis to let us know how much they knew. NOT, No, it's impossible for ANY man of the time to explain HOW Human blood was contaminated by the blood of prehistoric creatures who evolved from the common ancestor of Apes.

It's PROOF of God, and our "so called" Science is still ignoring God's Truth in Genesis. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[idav]

Dear Readers, Sounds like a really good argument for the evolution of the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) from the common ancestor of all life on our Earth...EXCEPT Human life. According to God, EVERY living creature that moves was created and brought forth from the Water, beginning some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time. It was on the FIFTH Day or Age, which was Yesterday to God. Gen 1:21

We are apes. I take it even further and say "all we are is dust in the wind" which is confirmed biblically, historically and scientifically. All life on earth ultimately came from the earth.

 

[Aman777]

We are apes. I take it even further and say "all we are is dust in the wind" which is confirmed biblically, historically and scientifically. All life on earth ultimately came from the earth.

Dear idav, Correction: As Sagan said, we are Starstuff, since we contain elements created in the interior of the First Stars, which formed and put forth their light, some 13.7 Billion years ago, just AFTER Adam was formed of the dust of the ground, as a potter molds the clay, by the Hands of Jesus. Gen 2:4-7

Since Humans were made some 10 Billion years BEFORE the first Life appeared, from the water, on the FIFTH Day, Gen 1:21 on Planet Earth, or some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time, it is IMPOSSIBLE for Humans to have evolved from Apes, since Humans were around for Billions of years BEFORE ANY LIfe was on our small, blue, marble looking Planet. In fact, it was BEFORE our Planet was formed of the Starstuff which was hanging around in Space. You have your Days confused. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[McBell]

Nothing here of substance.

You are not paying attention...

I put as much substance in my replies to your posts as there is in the post i am replying to.

Of course, this reply has much more substance that your post it is in reply to...

 

[McBell]

Dear idav, Correction: As Sagan said, we are Starstuff, since we contain elements created in the interior of the First Stars, which formed and put forth their light, some 13.7 Billion years ago, just AFTER Adam was formed of the dust of the ground, as a potter molds the clay, by the Hands of Jesus. Gen 2:4-7

Since Humans were made some 10 Billion years BEFORE the first Life appeared, from the water, on the FIFTH Day, Gen 1:21 on Planet Earth, or some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time, it is IMPOSSIBLE for Humans to have evolved from Apes, since Humans were around for Billions of years BEFORE ANY LIfe was on our small, blue, marble looking Planet. In fact, it was BEFORE our Planet was formed of the Starstuff which was hanging around in Space. You have your Days confused. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

At first I was hopeful there would some science or history in your above quoted post...

but alas, I am deeply disappointed...

Not the least bit surprised, mind you, just disappointed.

 

[Runewolf1973]

At first I was hopeful there would some science or history in your above quoted post...

but alas, I am deeply disappointed...

Not the least bit surprised, mind you, just disappointed.

There's no correcting crazy.

 

[idav]

Dear idav, Correction: As Sagan said, we are Starstuff, since we contain elements created in the interior of the First Stars, which formed and put forth their light, some 13.7 Billion years ago, just AFTER Adam was formed of the dust of the ground, as a potter molds the clay, by the Hands of Jesus. Gen 2:4-7

Since Humans were made some 10 Billion years BEFORE the first Life appeared, from the water, on the FIFTH Day, Gen 1:21 on Planet Earth, or some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time, it is IMPOSSIBLE for Humans to have evolved from Apes, since Humans were around for Billions of years BEFORE ANY LIfe was on our small, blue, marble looking Planet. In fact, it was BEFORE our Planet was formed of the Starstuff which was hanging around in Space. You have your Days confused. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

You accuse Adam of being Nephilum just to stay out of being ape?

 

[Ouroboros]

There's no correcting crazy.

You can lead horses to water, but you can't lead crazy to reason.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

I will never concede the argument.
All the many generations of life on this planet....and we have appeared in a relatively short space of evolution.

The divergence was more than a few turns of molecules.

I do find it notable that an account of manipulation was penned centuries before we humans could see the possibility.

and now that we can see it.....denial is not so simple.

Exactly what do you feel happened?

Do you feel that Chimpanzees and Baboons are more similar to each other?