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Humans: The Mind of God in the body of an Animal
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outhouse
Atheistically
homo sapiens?
dude were just barely above animals, it wasnt 50,000 years ago we lived just like them, only having the ability to control fire placed us above them then.
even now we are far more cruel then most animals who only kill for food.
its a severe mistake to place such importance on such barbaric creatures as homo sapiens, who couldnt get along if their bellies were full and people happy.
why do you think they created religions??? because this mythology was giving needed moral's and guidence to barbaric savages.
we are just like them and we are one with them, we are just damn lucky we are for the most part, in areas we choose, the top of the food chain.
Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
That is just amazing to watch
Noaidi
slow walker
Inferior beings?? No wonder this planet is fkd up when we have people with this attitude.
Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
How screwed will you be when the electrical grid goes down?
How screwed will that elephant be?
A single strong solar flare would cripple your entire living situation, and few other beasts would even take notice.
In a fight, which of you would win, naked in the heat of the African plains?
Your feeling of superiority is highly localized and dependent on a variety of specifics. Would your iphone protect you from a hungry lion pride? An elephant's tusks would do a bit better. How easy would it be for a small group of coyotes in your town, to carry off your child? How many would it take to carry off the elephant's child? Etc.
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I will concede there is something that puts humans a "cut above" other species if it is equally recognized that every other species has something that puts it a "cut above" other species as well. All creatures have their strengths and weaknesses. They are highly contextual, just like evolution itself. There is no universal "better than" it is always "better with respect to a certain environment or circumstance." Even granting that creativity is what makes humans superior, it still doesn't follow that every other organism on the planet is wholesale inferior because of that one attribute. Nor is it a given that this attribute of creativity justifies a god-label while the superior attributes of other species do not.
Octavia156
OTO/EGC
only 50,000yrs? we could not mate with our ancencestors 50,000yrs ago - we are a different species entirely
I would argue that this barbarianism of which you speak to be a product of this inclination to Art
We see violence in nature but its just predation and biosurvival. I think barbariin is the wrong word- as this is just a relation to civilisation, and therefore its modern.
I don't think cruelty exists in nature - it is instince
Human Cruelty however - this implies intention - what are many forms of torture if not an art? Most serial killers are artistic about it. Therefore I'd suggest cruelty is a product of the artistic tendency i am proposing separates us from other animals.
I know someone is going to jump in with a story about their cat toying with a mouse - this is a preprogrammed biosurvival insinct used for training kittens.
Yes we'll all be attached to another object by an inclined plane, wrapped helically around an axis.
Civilisation was our solution to these problems.
religions Outhouse mentioned - we became civilised and developed moralirty and other complex ideas much much later (like 25,000yrs) later than when I'm supposing this artistic shift started
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Octavia156
OTO/EGC
Whereas I agree with you - everything in nature is interdependent within its own ecosystem - thus the ant is as intrinsic as the oak tree - one card falls and teverything is affected.
But again - look at humans - we have created artificial food webs - for the most part we are no longer in any food chain that we don't control. Not to mention our ability to manipulate ecosystems for better or worse.
and we're back to god-minds again...
I'm not sure I agree that humans control the food webs they participate in. We're not as in control of that as we like to think. All organisms also "manipulate" ecosystems. What probably makes humans stand out in that arena is the scale and short time frame in which we do so. I mean, plants radically altered the composition of the atmosphere millions of years ago, but humans have pulled it off within a mere century or two.
Orias
Left Hand Path
I think there are clear aspects of the human mind that separate us distinctly from the world of beasts.
One of them is the abilty of the human mind to Create both physical Art and non-physical Ideas
I think this makes us Gods.
I dunno about this, I could just as easily call the remains of a lion attack "art".
Octavia156
OTO/EGC
YOU could, but would the Lion? clearly not.
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Orias
Left Hand Path
us? The Elohim? or are you a polytheist?
I can still create new things therefore i am at least more like a god than an animal
Jehovah was evidently speaking to his only-begotten Son, who worked alongside his Father in creating all other things. Colossians 1:15,16 explains that Jesus "is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and upon the earth...All other things have been created through him and for him." I do not believe Jesus was a co-Creator, but rather the agent God used. Since Jehovah is the Source of all life, he alone can rightly be called the Creator. (Psalm 36:9)
Whatever abilities we have to 'create' comes from the intelligence and creativity God has given us. As 1 Corinthians 4:7 states: "What do you have that you did not receive? If, now, you did indeed receive it, why do you boast as though you did not receive it? " Any glory for what we are able to do should go to God, I think, and not ourselves.
Octavia156
OTO/EGC
So you think the Lion would intentionally arrange the remains of its dinner to look asthetically pleasing to others?
That reminds me of cats bringing dead birds and mice to their owners. Very kind of them.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Which may or may not be a type of training. As in, "hey idiot, go kill something like this".
The last sex between Neanderthals and modern humans likely occurred as recently as 47,000 years ago, the researchers added.
Humans Broke Off Neanderthal Sex After Discovering Eurasia | LiveScience
And a dog would think the same: The mind of God in the body of the animal.
Silly animals and their silly superiority complexes, they do sound human haha.