Hypothetical question for those who believe in hell :

[Me Myself]

Let´s say God tells you that your next child (that you want with all your love to have) with the wo/man you love will definetely go to hell at the end of it´s life because s/he would make all the bad choices. Let´s say he is telling you this so you can choose wheter you want to concieve him/her or not.

Will you have that child? Knowing that s/he would spent eternity in hell after s/he dies?

btw, answers are public.

 

[Me Myself]

edited a bit to include that you are supposed to WANT a new child.

A person that has already all the childs that s/he wants should imagine when they didn´t before answering for example.

 

[Me Myself]

36 views and no one has answered yet?

I wonder why...

 

[Gharib]

i wouldn't want to have a child who'd grow up ungrateful to Allah.

 

[InformedIgnorance]

Well I didnt answer on account of not believing in Hell or in God for that matter, however were I to believe in both of those... I would ask if delaying the pregnancy until some other time (thus having a different child) would affect the outcome.

If not... well if I really do intend to love my child, I would not engage in a course of action that would inflict such pain on it (given we have been told definitely), therefore I would not have a child with that partner - instead I might consider other avenues, such as having a child with another partner, IVF, adoption and so forth. Actually in such a circumstance where for whatever reason we should not have a child together, the way I would ideally handle it is to fertile two batches of eggs, one with my own dna and another woman's while the second batch with my partner's dna and another mans, using IVF to implant both at the same time. Then I would raise any children that came as our biological children, not checking their genetics (save for diseases) unless there was an absolute necessity such as an accident needing a transplant.

 

[Me Myself]

Well I didnt answer on account of not believing in Hell or in God for that matter, however were I to believe in both of those... I would ask if delaying the pregnancy until some other time (thus having a different child) would affect the outcome.

If not... well if I really do intend to love my child, I would not engage in a course of action that would inflict such pain on it (given we have been told definitely), therefore I would not have a child with that partner - instead I might consider other avenues, such as having a child with another partner, IVF, adoption and so forth. Actually in such a circumstance where for whatever reason we should not have a child together, the way I would ideally handle it is to fertile two batches of eggs, one with my own dna and another woman's while the second batch with my partner's dna and another mans, using IVF to implant both at the same time. Then I would raise any children that came as our biological children, not checking their genetics (save for diseases) unless there was an absolute necessity such as an accident needing a transplant.

I think your answer was a very explained "no"

The thing is you don´t want to have the child that will go to hell, because you would love him/her too much to expect that from him/her

 

[InformedIgnorance]

I meant I didnt answer previously, lol and I said other in case the timing of pregnancy would affect the outcome

Well yes, given a classical understanding of hell applies and that the child's fate could not be changed.

 

[Me Myself]

I meant I didnt answer previously, lol and I said other in case the timing of pregnancy would affect the outcome

Well yes, given a classical understanding of hell applies and that the child's fate could not be changed.

I take is as a no still

But yeah, it is a reasonable question, I know I would question God a lot if he told me this (specially cause I don´t believe in eternal hell (and yes, the premise is that it is eternal hell) )

 

[Me Myself]

Come opn! 75 people have seen this. I guess you know what I am aiming for, but your silence is speaking volumes.

What would you choose and what would be your logic?

i wouldn't want to have a child who'd grow up ungrateful to Allah.

Could you put ur answer in the poll please?

 

[Gharib]

Come opn! 75 people have seen this. I guess you know what I am aiming for, but your silence is speaking volumes.

What would you choose and what would be your logic?

How do you know it's not the same people viewing it over and over?

Could you put ur answer in the poll please?

I will go for other.

 

[Me Myself]

How do you know it's not the same people viewing it over and over?




I will go for other.

How so? Didn´t you say you wouldn´t want to have it?

 

[Sgloom]

who would answer yes to this? if you knew a child you were going to have would spend eternity in hell, who in there right mind would have that child. would you have a child just so you can have a play toy to torture when your bored? youd have to be pretty sick to answer yes to this question

 

[Me Myself]

who would answer yes to this?

For those who believe in hell: God would.

 

[abc123kid]

This is an extremely hard question to answer. On one hand I would not want my child to spend an eternity in total alienation from 1st me and 2nd but most importantly from God. I think again and say this is the same position God is in with His sovereignty. God gives us a free will to choose and I think that decision is the best because we get to choose what will happen to us. God doesnt control our destination. He just gives us what we "want".

 

[jarofthoughts]

i wouldn't want to have a child who'd grow up ungrateful to Allah.

Question:
What if you had a child, and it turned out to be an atheist when it grew up?
How would you react?
What, if anything, would you (try to) do about it?

 

[Me Myself]

This is an extremely hard question to answer. On one hand I would not want my child to spend an eternity in total alienation from 1st me and 2nd but most importantly from God. I think again and say this is the same position God is in with His sovereignty. God gives us a free will to choose and I think that decision is the best because we get to choose what will happen to us. God doesnt control our destination. He just gives us what we "want".

You would? o.o

Well, you wouldn´t be taking his freedom of choosing at all if you don´t have it, because there is no being whose freedom is being taken from.

Let me put it to you this way: If God said you could have 300 childs if you wanted, would you have them? or would you "take away their freedom" by not wanting to have som many babies?

I am very much pro-life (don´t argue about this, wont derial the thread! ) but if the life doesn´t even exist yet, then there is no obligation to have it.

 

[abc123kid]

You would? o.o

Well, you wouldn´t be taking his freedom of choosing at all if you don´t have it, because there is no being whose freedom is being taken from.

Let me put it to you this way: If God said you could have 300 childs if you wanted, would you have them? or would you "take away their freedom" by not wanting to have som many babies?

I am very much pro-life (don´t argue about this, wont derial the thread! ) but if the life doesn´t even exist yet, then there is no obligation to have it.

I think the illustration is a little different from the previous one. The 300 babies is still a personal decision "if i want" I have a say so. This is my free will not my kids. With having a kid I ultimately do not know what they are going to choose. But not having them would be taking their free will. I take their free will from them. It would kind of be like playing on a baseball team and going up to bat and not swinging because you are afraid to strikeout. God creates with the foreknowledge but If God arranged it that no bad people would be born then none of us would be born.Or you can have God remove our freedom to rebel against Him so that no one can be blamed for sin

 

[Me Myself]

I think the illustration is a little different from the previous one. The 300 babies is still a personal decision "if i want" I have a say so. This is my free will not my kids. With having a kid I ultimately do not know what they are going to choose. But not having them would be taking their free will. I take their free will from them. It would kind of be like playing on a baseball team and going up to bat and not swinging because you are afraid to strikeout. God creates with the foreknowledge but If God arranged it that no bad people would be born then none of us would be born.Or you can have God remove our freedom to rebel against Him so that no one can be blamed for sin

There are various problems with that affirmation.

First:

Is it imposible for God to create a being who freely chooses to do good?

Why does everything God makes freely chooses against him no matter what? Is free will inherently evil?

Ultimately:

Not saying if you want to have your kid knowing he is going to make mistakes (we all know it!) I am asking if you would have him knowing he would go to hell (means: "ultimate irredimable mistake for which he will suffer eternally" )

I still don´t hear how you take the free will of someone who doesn´t exist. If someone doesn´t exist, he cannot suffer, he has no rights, so you can´t make him wrong.

 

[Nakosis]

Come opn! 75 people have seen this. I guess you know what I am aiming for, but your silence is speaking volumes.

What would you choose and what would be your logic?
Could you put ur answer in the poll please?

I can't deal with the question. It just seems so unlikely being a possible scenario. I can't imagine such an actuality so it's hard to place myself reasonably in that situation.

 

[Gharib]

Question:
What if you had a child, and it turned out to be an atheist when it grew up?
How would you react?
What, if anything, would you (try to) do about it?

Well the OP says 'if' you knew how he'd turn out.

If i didn't know and then he turned out to grow up a non-muslim, i would try my best to convey the message of Islam to him/her. If they fail at accepting it then i can't force my beliefs on him/her.