Hypothetical question for those who believe in hell :

[Me Myself]

Well the OP says 'if' you knew how he'd turn out.

If i didn't know and then he turned out to grow up a non-muslim, i would try my best to convey the message of Islam to him/her. If they fail at accepting it then i can't force my beliefs on him/her.

Why did you answered "other"? I understood you wouldn´t want to have the child? That would be a "no".

 

[Gharib]

Why did you answered "other"? I understood you wouldn´t want to have the child? That would be a "no".

Answering 'no' means not wanting to have the child because he'd go to hell. I answered saying that i don't care if he goes to hell, I wouldn't have him because he'd grow up ungrateful to Allah. Which is different to not having him for the reason that you said.

However, in Islamic teachings, any child that is meant to be born will be born. It doesn't work as in the way you have stated.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Kid gets to make his or her own choices and hell is just a pit stop anyway.

 

[Me Myself]

Kid gets to make his or her own choices and hell is just a pit stop anyway.

"Hell" is meant to be eternal in this sense.

I am sorry if I didn´t specify it in the OP (didn´t I?)

edit: I did . Why u no read properly?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

"Hell" is meant to be eternal in this sense.

I am sorry if I didn´t specify it in the OP (didn´t I?)

edit: I did . Why u no read properly?

My bad.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Let's say you were God and you knew that if you created people with free will , that they were going to do awful stuff that you had no choice but to punish because you are just, would you create anyway?

 

[Me Myself]

Let's say you were God and you knew that if you created people with free will , that they were going to do awful stuff that you had no choice but to punish because you are just, would you create anyway?

Nope.

That´s actually the obvious reasoning behind my question.

I want to see how many people here would be more compassionate than what they think God is.

(And I AM God )

My bad.

It happens

 

[abc123kid]

There are various problems with that affirmation.

First:

Is it imposible for God to create a being who freely chooses to do good?

Why does everything God makes freely chooses against him no matter what? Is free will inherently evil?

Ultimately:

Not saying if you want to have your kid knowing he is going to make mistakes (we all know it!) I am asking if you would have him knowing he would go to hell (means: "ultimate irredimable mistake for which he will suffer eternally" )

I still don´t hear how you take the free will of someone who doesn´t exist. If someone doesn´t exist, he cannot suffer, he has no rights, so you can´t make him wrong.

Well if someone does not exist they also do not go to hell. and if they do not have free will they also will not be punished for the decision they make. Carshing a remote control car into a window the car doesnt get into trouble the person "willing" the car will. And free will isnt inheritnly evil but neutral. Humans are bent toward sin. We are born with a sin nature. But this is the thing that ultimatly points us to God. Knowing that we can not save ourselves. Needing a Savior and A merciful God. A God who gives us free will to not choose Him if we want but has done everything in His power to make a way to himself.

 

[Me Myself]

Well if someone does not exist they also do not go to hell. and if they do not have free will they also will not be punished for the decision they make. Carshing a remote control car into a window the car doesnt get into trouble the person "willing" the car will. And free will isnt inheritnly evil but neutral. Humans are bent toward sin. We are born with a sin nature. But this is the thing that ultimatly points us to God. Knowing that we can not save ourselves. Needing a Savior and A merciful God. A God who gives us free will to not choose Him if we want but has done everything in His power to make a way to himself.

I think there is no much to discuss with you here.

You would have the child, knowing he would suffer eternally because of it.

So your view of God is coeherent (eventhough I would deem it even more reprehensible that you actually are coherent in this, but as a subjective stance, not much to argue there)

 

[abc123kid]

I think there is no much to discuss with you here.

You would have the child, knowing he would suffer eternally because of it.

So your view of God is coeherent (eventhough I would deem it even more reprehensible that you actually are coherent in this, but as a subjective stance, not much to argue there)

The only thing that I would add is you said "I would have the child, knowing he would suffer eternally because of "IT." I would just add that it is not me that is making Him go to hell. The child will eventually grow up and freely make decision that will affect His eternal outcome. I being His father can not forcefully make him choose to do right once he is old enough. This I think is fair. The responsibility falls off me as his parent, but onto him and the choices he make.

 

[Me Myself]

The only thing that I would add is you said "I would have the child, knowing he would suffer eternally because of "IT." I would just add that it is not me that is making Him go to hell. The child will eventually grow up and freely make decision that will affect His eternal outcome. I being His father can not forcefully make him choose to do right once he is old enough. This I think is fair. The responsibility falls off me as his parent, but onto him and the choices he make.

Never I doubted this was your thinking.

 

[Me Myself]

So far, most people are more compassionate than abrahamic God in this poll.

It is nice to confirm that the followers are better than this "god" of eternal torture. God of "I could have avoided it but I didn´t care" if you don´t like the first description though.

I can only wonder how many of the viewers didn´t even dare answer the poll knowing full well they had better compassion than this supposedly supreme entity which they worship as origin of morality.

 

[jarofthoughts]

Well the OP says 'if' you knew how he'd turn out.

If i didn't know and then he turned out to grow up a non-muslim, i would try my best to convey the message of Islam to him/her. If they fail at accepting it then i can't force my beliefs on him/her.

But you would still accept him/her, keep in touch and remain on a friendly basis I hope?

 

[Gharib]

But you would still accept him/her, keep in touch and remain on a friendly basis I hope?

"i would try my best to convey the message of Islam to him/her."

do you think it's possible to do that without keeping in touch?

 

[jarofthoughts]

"i would try my best to convey the message of Islam to him/her."

do you think it's possible to do that without keeping in touch?

I meant if such an effort failed.
Sorry if that was unclear.

My question should probably have been:
When it becomes abundantly clear that he/she is never going to accept Islam, would you remain friends with them and keep in touch?

 

[Gharib]

I meant if such an effort failed.
Sorry if that was unclear.

My question should probably have been:
When it becomes abundantly clear that he/she is never going to accept Islam, would you remain friends with them and keep in touch?

I don't know the future to be able to determine at a particular point that my child will never accept Islam. That was the main point of your question, not knowing how they'd turn out and what I would do in such a case.

I hope Allah doesn't bring such a situation on me.

 

[Falvlun]

I don't know how you could have a child if you knew for sure that he'd be going to a eternal, torturing hell. That is just terribly, terribly sad. Why would you torture yourself with this?

 

[jarofthoughts]

I don't know the future to be able to determine at a particular point that my child will never accept Islam. That was the main point of your question, not knowing how they'd turn out and what I would do in such a case.

I hope Allah doesn't bring such a situation on me.

Muslim or not, they would still be your child, would they not?
Would you have that much of a problem respecting their choices concerning religion?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I do not believe in Hell.

 

[abc123kid]

I do not believe in Hell.

Why Not?