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Hypothetical question for those who believe in hell :
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Me Myself
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Any new voters?
So far 25% of people is more compasionate than Hell God. Actually, a little bit more because one that voted on others would also ultimately said no, and one that voted in "yes" did so thinking Hell wouldn´t be eternal in this specific hypthetical example.
On the other hand, I believe we have a pair of people that believe in eternal hell God that voted no, like kathyrin. That´s good for Kathyrin! But shameful for her God :s
So far 25% of people is more compasionate than Hell God. Actually, a little bit more because one that voted on others would also ultimately said no, and one that voted in "yes" did so thinking Hell wouldn´t be eternal in this specific hypthetical example.
On the other hand, I believe we have a pair of people that believe in eternal hell God that voted no, like kathyrin. That´s good for Kathyrin! But shameful for her God :s
So what is the point of this life if we are all going to heaven? God should have created us and place us in heaven for in that case.
Didn't understand this response can you explain?
Me Myself
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I was sure that was the way you thought even before reading your post.
I have a question for you how does Hell take away from God's compassion or love? answer this scenario "There is this horrible, hateful man who abused all sorts of people in countless ways. He stole from them, was foul mouthed, a habitual adulterer, and he openly mocked and blasphemed God. He repeatedly sought to destroy the Christian Church and did everything in his power to prevent the gospel from being preached. He was a wretched and evil man." Where do you think this man should go if you believed in Heaven or Hell?
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Heaven. But when I was a catholic purgatory also existed. It seemed very sensical.
Why heaven you may ask? Well, because you always want to over indulge someone instead of over punish, and ther eis no way in heaven/hell he could have caused eternal pain to anyone like the eternal pain he will suffer.
Hell is meant to be the worst experience in existence, infinetely worse than anything he could have done to anyone in this life, and for an infinite duration.
So it is literaly infinetely unfair elevated to the square.
My current belief states that he would suffer all the bad he did though. Naturally, this wont be eternal. It´s Karma.
Okay now what if you were a judge an you knew all the bad this criminal was going to do, but you offered Him a way out of deserving punishment. But after you gave Him years of to accept the offer He still refused and continued to be the criminal he was before. In order to be a just Judge and finally given him chance after chance you will have to punish him right?
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I insist. I punish him. Since first offense. It simply won´t be forever.
I really don´t understand why the concept of non-eternal punishment is so hard for you people.
Punishment is meant to be corrective. If it is not correcting or protecting anyone, then punishment is completely useless.
Its hard for "us people" simply because it is un biblical. And it defeats the purpose of this life. If we are all going to Heaven God would have simply made us in Heaven instead of putting us on this earth. He would have taken our free will and made us robots to serve Him in Heaven. Put God ultimate will is for everyone to be saved that "no one perish". But He also has given us a free will to serve Him and love Him. and if we do not want to serve and love Him then He gives us what we want. The Bible says that "hell was meant for the devils and his angels" so should the devil also not be eternally punished in Hell
jarofthoughts
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There are, you know, alternative ways of looking at reality...
What are you getting at?
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Compassion is more important than ancient words. Take it as you may though, you already answered the poll. I don´t think there is much to debate here. Wheter the bible is a good source of truthfull information is an entire different debate.
I do not believe anyone should be eternally punished in hell.
You don´t need to take out the free will, as you could have done in this poll, he could just not have created those who he knew would use it wrongly.
If you have a precious gift to give someone you love, but know s/he will use it SO WRONGLY that it will only cause him/her suffering "by her own fault" , would you give it to her /him still?
Just because you "believe" someone should not be eternally punished to hell does not make someone being eternally punished to Hell wrong. You are finite God is infinite. God is eternal and Sovereign. You still haven't answer the question if everyone is going to heaven whats the purpose of life on the earth.
Terrywoodenpic
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This life is not about after we die, it is about what we do here and now, what we do for the good of God's world and each other. It is not about reward or punishment.
I did not say I believed in heaven either.
we return to God.
Me Myself
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You "believing" eternal hell is real doesn´t make it real neither. You conceptions and understanding are finite, conceptions and understanding of God are in-finite.
You see? both of us can play that game. Reality is that if you don´t, at LEAST trust your own judgement... well, you can´t even trust in anything, because you are not even able to trust in what YOU belive is trustable, given that you would be using your: emotions, comprehension, etc to see if you believe it or not. Who cares if you believe Bible has the truth? If you don´t trust on yourself, how can you trust in your beliefs of what is truth or not? if you don´t trust such beliefs, you cannot determine where truth is, so you cannot really trust in your belief of bible being truthfull.
I haven´t answered the question because it is a stupid question that doesn´t even understand itself.
You didn´t answer my question neither anyways.
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jarofthoughts
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What are you getting at?
I'm just saying that unless you feel forced to include god into every equation about how the world works, other avenues of thought are open to you.
It ultimately is about what happens after we die. What happens after we die will usually determine how we live now. Your argument is flawed. When playing a basketball game you are trying to score points in the here and now but ultimately its so you could win the game. But if you could win the game without sweating and scoring goals then you wouldnt. So yes it is for today and now and helping God's world and telling others about God's great love for them.
Me Myself
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This thread is not about the "love" of abrahamic God, is about eternal torture.
You are using circular logic.
You never played basketball without counting a score? really? I´ve played many games without counting wins, is still fun to play.
goldie1979
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My answer would be yes God gives us free will and by my logic there would still be hope for the child