I Am A Good Person, Therefore, I'm Going To Heaven!

[savagewind]

Nope. It doesn't ''have'' to be. However the arguments to the contrary aren't well thought out. Where is the explanations for all the mistakes , that are presented in that paradigm? They aren't there. It isn't legit.

What does this mean?

 

[savagewind]

I think there are fewer mistakes in the Hebrew scriptures and less important imo than there are in the Greek scriptures. I think that the writers of the original Greek scriptures had knowledge of the wrongness of some scriptures in the OT.

 

[Desert Snake]

What does this mean?

It means that when scripture is presented that might refute theories of Biblical or religious falseness, there aren't any refutations. That's an indication of position/s/, that actually aren't ''based'' on the Scripture that people present as evidence to their own theories. Whatever the 'explanation' might be, if nothing is presented in such an instance, then I am certainly not going to take other arguments seriously, that only rely on the contextual inferences presented in a limited parameter of reference.

hope that makes sense.

 

[Desert Snake]

I think there are fewer mistakes in the Hebrew scriptures and less important imo than there are in the Greek scriptures. I think that the writers of the original Greek scriptures had knowledge of the wrongness of some scriptures in the OT.

Any evidence of that?

 

[savagewind]

Any evidence of that?

Do you mean like words that people said? Yes.

 

[savagewind]

It means that when scripture is presented that might refute theories of Biblical or religious falseness, there aren't any refutations..

Are you sure this is what you want to say?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I guess you prefer to consider yourself a better source of truth.

That isn't what I said, is it?

As for me, I have chosen to trust God and His Word completely. I lean on Him and not myself.

This isn't true, of course. At some point, you would have had to have judged for yourself that the god and scriptures you now believe in are genuine. Your trust in God has its foundation in your trust in your own judgement that what you think is God really is God.

 

[Domenic]

I don't think people read all the post before they comment...I think it is funny, what I posted on page 19 is true, and using the scriptures, it can be proven true.

 

[katiemygirl]

But what if you're wrong? You may have rejected it, but that doesn't mean it's not true. I've rejected your God after all (used to be my God too, by the way), but my rejection of your God doesn't say anything about whether I'm right or you're right. One of us is wrong, and your statements of certainty are no more certain than my statements of certainty.

Your statement that I responded to, which I've heard countless times from religious folks, is that "hey, if you atheists are right we will all just die and wink out of existence, but if I'm right you'll burn in hell for failing to worship Jesus/God."

The idea being everyone should consider changing over to Christianity just in case we are wrong because the consequences of being wrong is damnation to the Christian idea of hell.

But Christians such as yourself refuse to worship other Gods they don't believe in just in case y'all are wrong. Right? I mean if the Muslims are right and you're not following Islam the consequences for you will be damnation to hell. But you simply don't believe, and couldn't believe even if you tried, in the Islamic version of God.Therefore you should be able to clearly see why others wouldn't...or more accurately...couldn't...worship your God just in case.

I have made my choice. You've made yours. There's really nothing else to say. It's not my job to convince you that the God of the Bible is the one true God. All I know is how much He has blessed me. I don't have to prove His existence or that He is the one true God to you or anyone. I know what I believe, and that really what matters.

 

[katiemygirl]

Whether you are willing to admit it or not, there is no way of knowing for sure. There is no way of knowing absolutely whether God exists at all. Stubbornness in this regard doesn't make a difference.

I know it 100%. No one has ever proved to me differently. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!

 

[URAVIP2ME]

we could cut to a new topic ......which God is the Almighty?
seems to me our knees belong to Him

Which God is Almighty according to Jesus - John 4:23-24
Didn't Jesus say he would make God's name known at John 17:6; John 17:26 ?________
King James Version uses the word LORD in all capital letters where the Tetrarammaton (YHWH ) stands for God's name. - Psalms 110

 

[katiemygirl]

"9-10ths_Penguin, post: 4820381, member: 13455"]That isn't what I said, is it?

Actually, that's how you come across. You rely on self for answers. It's because you have no faith. No anchor. You're tossed to and fro, never arriving at an answer.

This isn't true, of course. At some point, you would have had to have judged for yourself that the god and scriptures you now believe in are genuine. Your trust in God has its foundation in your trust in your own judgement that what you think is God really is God.

I can never remember a time in my life that I didn't believe God. I didn't start to read and study the Bible until I was older, but for reasons beyond my understanding, I have always been pulled towards it, like a magnet. Even now, it pulls me. I'm an avid Bible reader. When I got into it, I never thought about not believing it was the Word of God. I've always believed it was. We are all different. Maybe your moment will come. I hope so. I just can't imagine what it must be like to not know what you believe, to be unsure. You should check out World Bible School. The lessons are free and you learn a lot. You get to work with a study helper.

 

[katiemygirl]

Which God is Almighty according to Jesus - John 4:23-24
Didn't Jesus say he would make God's name known at John 17:6; John 17:26 ?________
King James Version uses the word LORD in all capital letters where the Tetrarammaton (YHWH ) stands for God's name.

Your New World translation is nothing more than a sectarian paraphrase, which has added the name Jehovah into the New Testament 237 times where there isn't an ounce of manuscript evidence to support it. In order to get anyone to follow the cult, Watchtower tells people that all Bibles are corrupt.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

"Paradise earth" cannot be found anywhere in the Bible. It is the invention of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Yes, there is No verse in Scripture that says " paradise earth ". But how does anyone conclude that Scripture is Not referring to earth becoming a paradise or paradisical garden ?
Don't the Persian ( pairidaeza ), the Hebrew ( pardes'), and the Greek ( para'deison ) all convey the basic idea of a beautiful park or park-like garden ? ______
Where was the first such park/garden on Earth but the Garden of Eden on Earth. - Genesis 2:8-9,15
Doesn't the Greek Septuagint use the term para'deison with reference to that earthly edenic garden ?______
Where did the dead Jesus go the day he died ? _______ According to Scripture, did dead Jesus go to heaven or hell ? ______ - Acts of the Apostles 2:27; Psalms 16:10
So, when Jesus promised the thief paradise, then Jesus was saying,' truly I tell you today (future tense) you will be with me in Paradise'.
So, that day of death was Not the time of paradise for the robber or Jesus.
Please notice in 2nd Peter there are three (3) earth's mentioned:
1. 2 Peter 3:5 the corrupted OLD earth of Noah's day
2. 2 Peter 3:7 the earth since Noah's day to our NOW present day.
3. 2 Peter 3:13 the NEW earth where righteousness dwells.
Since only righteousness will dwell on Earth then that NEW righteous earth, or earthly society, people will dwell on a beautified Earth. - Matthew 5:5
As originally was in Eden, mankind will then see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' for the healing of earth's nations - Revelation 22:2
Jesus will fulfill God's promise to father Abraham that ALL families of Earth will be blessed, and ALL nations of Earth will be blessed - Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18
Blessed with the benefit of healing under Christ - Revelation 22:2 - when even the 'deserts will blossom' ( paradisical conditions ) - Isaiah 35.
Since Isaiah believed in a coming beautiful paradise earth, then was Isaiah a Jehovah's Witness ?_______- Isaiah 11:6-8; Isaiah 11:9

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Your New World translation is nothing more than a sectarian paraphrase, which has added the name Jehovah......

The Scriptures that appear on the forum screen are Not from the New World Translation.
What does John 4:23-24 say in your translation ?
What does John 17:6 say in your translation?
What does John 17:26 say in your translation ?

How did Jesus add God's name when he prayed ' hollowed by thy (God's) name ' ?
Did the NWT paraphrase the Dead Sea Scrolls which contain the Tetragrammaton ( YHWH ) ?_______

 

[Desert Snake]

Greetings

Which God is Almighty according to Jesus - John 4:23-24
Didn't Jesus say he would make God's name known at John 17:6; John 17:26 ?________

It wasn't known before?

King James Version uses the word LORD in all capital letters where the Tetrarammaton (YHWH ) stands for God's name. - Psalms 110

who is talking in Hebrews 8:8-9, in your opinion?

 

[leibowde84]

I know it 100%. No one has ever proved to me differently. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!

Lack of proof to the contrary does not mean certainty. But, nevertheless, certainty of this nature is not possible, no matter what, which can be backed up with supporting evidence. So I disagree that you can be 100% certain.

 

[Thief]

It pays to follow the rules.

perhaps you would like to read that parable again
or post an op for that one item and let me know

 

[Thief]

Whether you are willing to admit it or not, there is no way of knowing for sure. There is no way of knowing absolutely whether God exists at all. Stubbornness in this regard doesn't make a difference.

and look at the method of posting you use

tossing doubt is not a valid argument

 

[Thief]

Someone please tell me why a person should think to reject all scripture just because some of it is wrong.

Cherries are good, but some scriptures are not cherries. They are poison berries.

If anyone can possibly hear me, I'd like to say again that what God says we might know, listen to and pay attention to to obey God.
To call something that was changed to reflect a man's opinion (or a man's mistake) God's word is BAD. Bad, bad, bad.

so which is it?......good stuff and reliable?......or just poison?
was it not written?
Let those of have ears that hear......listen

if you suspect scripture is compromised...ok
when you read it....feel free to doubt
it is written....trust no one....question everything

but at some point
you have to make a decision
set aside your doubt
choose