I Am A Good Person, Therefore, I'm Going To Heaven!

[leibowde84]

and look at the method of posting you use

tossing doubt is not a valid argument

My argument is that certainty as to whether the Bible is 100% God's word is not possible. That is because certain authors are unknown, gospels were chosen out of over 30 different possibilities, translations were made by imperfect men, there are, at the very least, subtle discrepancies, etc.

 

[Thief]

My argument is that certainty as to whether the Bible is 100% God's word is not possible. That is because certain authors are unknown, gospels were chosen out of over 30 different possibilities, translations were made by imperfect men, there are, at the very least, subtle discrepancies, etc.

so choose what you prefer and post with certainty

posting doubt is not an argument

 

[Thief]

Which God is Almighty according to Jesus - John 4:23-24
Didn't Jesus say he would make God's name known at John 17:6; John 17:26 ?________
King James Version uses the word LORD in all capital letters where the Tetrarammaton (YHWH ) stands for God's name. - Psalms 110

make a list of gods you are sure to exist

one of them ......His will cannot be set aside......He rules
that would be the Almighty

 

[savagewind]

so which is it?......good stuff and reliable?......or just poison?

It's both.

 

[leibowde84]

so choose what you prefer and post with certainty

posting doubt is not an argument

What do you mean "what I prefer"? What I prefer about what? Your posts are very vague.

 

[Thief]

What do you mean "what I prefer"? What I prefer about what? Your posts are very vague.

now you are slipping
and you do so on purpose

that would be trolling

 

[leibowde84]

now you are slipping
and you do so on purpose

that would be trolling

No, honestly I don't know what you mean. Can you clarify what you mean by what I prefer?

 

[savagewind]

No, honestly I don't know what you mean. Can you clarify what you mean by what I prefer?

If I might butt in.......I know the Bible is not 100% and I have offered some evidence that I have seen to explain how I know it isn't. You just doubt that it is 100% correct. Do you have real evidence? So, you prefer to think that it must contain errors. I wouldn't call it that about you, but I think that is what @Thief means.

 

[katiemygirl]

Lack of proof to the contrary does not mean certainty. But, nevertheless, certainty of this nature is not possible, no matter what, which can be backed up with supporting evidence. So I disagree that you can be 100% certain.

Are you claiming that you have the power to see into my heart and to know my mind? Here I am telling you that I am certain that Jehovah is the one true God and the Bible is His Word, and you're telling me I can't be certain. I know what I believe! Just because you have rejected our Father in heaven and His holy Word, don't be accusing others of thinking the way you do. You have no idea what I think or what's in my heart!

I believe I am done with this conversation.

 

[savagewind]

Are you claiming that you have the power to see into my heart and to know my mind? Here I am telling you that I am certain that Jehovah is the one true God and the Bible is His Word, and you're telling me I can't be certain. I know what I believe! Just because you have rejected our Father in heaven and His holy Word, don't be accusing others of thinking the way you do. You have no idea what I think or what's in my heart!

I believe I am done with this conversation.

@leibowde84 has "rejected our Father in heaven and His holy word"? No! You are not paying attention.
Is it because he posts as agnostic? I think that he just means God's existence can not be proved. I agree that Jehovah won't be proved.

 

[leibowde84]

If I might butt in.......I know the Bible is not 100% and I have offered some evidence that I have seen to explain how I know it isn't. You just doubt that it is 100% correct. Do you have real evidence? So, you prefer to think that it must contain errors. I wouldn't call it that about you, but I think that is what @Thief means.

Oh, that's a weird way of phrasing that question. I don't prefer either way. The evidence leads me to believe that it is likely.

 

[leibowde84]

@leibowde84 has "rejected our Father in heaven and His holy word"? No! You are not paying attention.
Is it because he posts as agnostic? I think that he just means God's existence can not be proved. I agree that Jehovah won't be proved.

Exactly.

 

[leibowde84]

Are you claiming that you have the power to see into my heart and to know my mind? Here I am telling you that I am certain that Jehovah is the one true God and the Bible is His Word, and you're telling me I can't be certain. I know what I believe! Just because you have rejected our Father in heaven and His holy Word, don't be accusing others of thinking the way you do. You have no idea what I think or what's in my heart!

I believe I am done with this conversation.

You are all over the place. I never doubted that you believe you are certain. But, I believe you must be wrong about that. If you have some way of supporting this certainty, then please provide that evidence.

 

[savagewind]

Oh, that's a weird way of phrasing that question. I don't prefer either way. The evidence leads me to believe that it is likely.

The evidence leads you to believe what is likely?
You don't prefer either way for what?

You say she should prove her confidence in 100% of the Bible*. I think she should prove that she is human and being honest.

I think I should not say what I suspect is really going on here.

*by the way, I do believe the Bible is a very useful tool for explaining what's going on down here.

 

[savagewind]

You are all over the place. I never doubted that you believe you are certain. But, I believe you must be wrong about that. If you have some way of supporting this certainty, then please provide that evidence.

@katiemygirl You say that to believe the Bible and to live by it has proved to you that it is 100% correct. We are asking you how do you reach the conclusion that it is 100% when you have not experienced 100% of it yet. Obviously, it would take more than one person's lifetime to have experienced everything in the Bible. You are one person. We can't believe you about it being 100% God's words and you can not prove it. So, you are right about us being done.

 

[Thief]

Exactly.

exactly.....what?
you insist for evidence to believe
if no evidence you do not believe

no evidence for the existence of God.....therefore....you do not believe

an atheist in sheep's clothing?

 

[savagewind]

exactly.....what?
you insist for evidence to believe
if no evidence you do not believe

no evidence for the existence of God.....therefore....you do not believe

an atheist in sheep's clothing?

Are you calling him stupid? People with half a brain do not search for something they know does not exist. Is the man not searching?

It is obvious to me @leibowde84 is not a troll* but he is intelligently engaged in talking about God and stuff.

*like me. Hay! I was born that way.

 

[Thief]

Are you calling him stupid? People with half a brain do not search for something they know does not exist. Is the man not searching?

It is obvious to me @leibowde84 is not a troll* but he is intelligently engaged in talking about God and stuff.

*like me. Hay! I was born that way.

not buying it.
too much doubt for an item of choice

it's simple.....
Spirit first?.....or substance?

there will be no evidence
no photo, no fingerprint, no equation and no repeatable science experiment

maybe half a brain is all that is needed

and half a brain will note.......faith is not a matter of proving
it is a choice

 

[savagewind]

not buying it.
too much doubt for an item of choice

it's simple.....
Spirit first?.....or substance?

there will be no evidence
no photo, no fingerprint, no equation and no repeatable science experiment

maybe half a brain is all that is needed

and half a brain will note.......faith is not a matter of proving
it is a choice

I think that Spirit need not be a King sized father-like figure. I am in search of The Father. Have you found him?

By the way, anyone who might control every jot and tittle through many, many people is paying attention to the wrong things imo.

 

[Thief]

there's something shallow about a claim to search for knowledge......
all the while denying the ability to know

knowledge is not limited to what you can prove.

I am certain we spend the rest of eternity with others that think and feel as we do

and people ......unsure.....
will be grouped to others likewise.....
the ones that don't know