I Am A Good Person, Therefore, I'm Going To Heaven!

[Desert Snake]

You are putting words in my mouth, as I have not made this claim. Your logic is flawed here.

A "belief" is a position held indicating that the position is not yet verified as being accurate.

This is completely arbitrary. 'Verified', to who? The belief may or my not be 'verified', to the person holding the belief. The word 'belief', does not indicate whether the person considers it 'verified'.

A "fact" must be verified as being true. It doesn't mean that it is an absolute certainty, but it is verifiable.

Arbitrary again. 'Verified', to who, and in what manner, etc.

If I say "I believe that God exists", it means that I trust that God exists even though it cannot presently be verified as being accurate.

There is no 'verified' except in a subjective manner. Again, 'verified', to who, ...

If I say "I know that God exists" I would be using the word "know" incorrectly, as I have no way of verifying whether or not God exists.

This is subjective. Again, whether you personally do, or do not have verification for something, does not affect the manner in which the words are used.

If I say "I believe that intelligent alien life exists", that belief is not verifiable (yet), but it can still be based on some kind of knowledge (probability based on the existence of billions of earth like planets in distant galaxies, vastness of space, etc.).

So?...

I did not say that beliefs can be disputed. Beliefs are positions. Claims in beliefs, like the existence of God, can be disputed, but not whether or not someone actually holds a belief.

...

Beliefs are positions held as to whether something is the case. Those positions can be based on various facts that lead you to believe something is the case. And, obviously, whether or not a belief is held by an individual can be factual. If Tim believes that God exists, it can be accurately said that it is a fact that Tim believes in God. I can say that "I know that Tim believes in God" because I can verify that Tim believes in God.

Yeah...therefore? The belief does not indicate whether the position is a 'fact', or a 'truth', or in what manner that belief was arrived at.

 

[savagewind]

Are you guys kidding?

 

[Thief]

perhaps.
But there is no doubt in my mind that you are going to run off into left field about it, truth be damned.



The fact that I find the picture you paint of your favourite god to be severely lacking in no way indicates or even implies I think there is nothing greater than my self.

I do find your dishonesty comical.
Yet another part of your favourite deity I despise

lacking.....?
at the same time holding the title.....Almighty

 

[Thief]

I don't think God would fault anyone for withholding belief due to lack of evidence. I couldn't see God as being so unreasonable in that way.

and that you are neither hot nor cold....I will spit you out....

it is written that way....
alleged to be quoting God

but that's not proven

and you see to be ....assuming.....God's rational is the same as yours

 

[McBell]

lacking.....?
at the same time holding the title.....Almighty

You are free to give whatever arbitrary titles and attributes to it you want.

 

[Thief]

You are free to give whatever arbitrary titles and attributes to it you want.

not so arbitrary really....in the scheme of life
Someone is greatest

more so in the next life

 

[McBell]

not so arbitrary really....in the scheme of life
Someone is greatest

more so in the next life

Interesting that you deny arbitrary in the first line then spend the rest of post demonstrating the arbitrary....

 

[Thief]

Interesting that you deny arbitrary in the first line then spend the rest of post demonstrating the arbitrary....

I didn't make up the name......Almighty

I just understand it

 

[McBell]

I didn't make up the name......Almighty

I just understand it

completely irrelevant.
YOU did arbitrarily assign it to your favoured deity.

Nice try though.

 

[Thief]

completely irrelevant.
YOU did arbitrarily assign it to your favoured deity.

Nice try though.

in the scheme of superlatives......one is Almighty

 

[McBell]

in the scheme of superlatives......one is Almighty

Since you are not interested in discussing the tangent on the table, I shall allow you to avoid addressing it since it seems to make you so uncomfortable.

 

[Thief]

Since you are not interested in discussing the tangent on the table, I shall allow you to avoid addressing it since it seems to make you so uncomfortable.

so .....you might be a good person.....
but you're not going to heaven....
for lack of faith

you mean that tangent?

 

[McBell]

so .....you might be a good person.....
but your not going to heaven....
for lack of faith

I wonder, is you who are so petty you feel the need for the empty threats or is it your god who is that petty?

you mean that tangent?

I am talking about the tangent where I was trying to have a discussion with you about your arbitrary titles and attributes, but since you are so dead set against discussing it....

 

[Thief]

I wonder, is you who are so petty you feel the need for the empty threats or is it your god who is that petty?


I am talking about the tangent where I was trying to have a discussion with you about your arbitrary titles and attributes, but since you are so dead set against discussing it....

cause and effect

you don't believe......you don't go

 

[McBell]

cause and effect

you don't believe......you don't go

that old line of bull **** again?
It has already been established that your dogmatic "cause and effect" tantra is nothing more than you trying to get to your favoured deity.
Perhaps if you did not toss it out the second it gets you where you want to be, you could be taken seriously.

 

[Thief]

that old line of bull **** again?
It has already been established that your dogmatic "cause and effect" tantra is nothing more than you trying to get to your favoured deity.
Perhaps if you did not toss it out the second it gets you where you want to be, you could be taken seriously.

it's an obvious line of logic

your denial cannot undo it

 

[McBell]

it's an obvious line of logic

your denial cannot undo it

you say "logic"
I call bull ****.
But then you have to throw logic, and reason out the window right along with your cause and effect.
So you take a long round about path to make a series of bold empty claims in order to get yourself to your god.

I wonder, how proud of you is your god?

 

[leibowde84]

cause and effect

you don't believe......you don't go

If that is the required effect for that cause demanded by God, then God must be petty. I don't believe that God is petty, so I dont believe that is the the required effect.

 

[Thief]

If that is the required effect for that cause demanded by God, then God must be petty. I don't believe that God is petty, so I dont believe that is the the required effect.

it is reflex....a cause and effect

you end up alongside people that think and feel....just like you

how else to be happy?
how else to be fair?

if you have that quality to be near God....you go to heaven

if you have less....you go to people like yourself

you will know the difference as God would be there.....or not

 

[leibowde84]

it is reflex....a cause and effect

you end up alongside people that think and feel....just like you

how else to be happy?
how else to be fair?

if you have that quality to be near God....you go to heaven

if you have less....you go to people like yourself

you will know the difference as God would be there.....or not

I disagree. I don't think it would be fair and I don't think being around only like minded people would make me happy. It would be boring.