I Am A Good Person, Therefore, I'm Going To Heaven!

[Demonslayer]

Everyone knows god beamed jesus up to the Enterprise!

William Shatner thinks he's God so this makes a lot of sense!

 

[Thief]

I believe you are believing in fairy tales.

I believe ascension had a purpose ie that He did not just lift off into the air and return and is still with us but rather that there was a way for Him to get somewhere other than this earth. For instance Elijah had a chariot of fire to take him elsewhere.

I believe that is nothing more than a false rumor spread by the Chief Priests who were not willing for people to know the truth.

There is no evidence to support this concept. One does not survive death but one may be resurrected from it.

you are double minded....

He survived....or He's dead

and if someone of His ability failed....
the rest of us are screwed

 

[leibowde84]

I am not sure what you mean by assumption.

I believe if it is the assumption of Mary that appears to be a Roman Catholic fairy tale.

Do you mean ascension?

 

[Muffled]

But you made the same assumption about...wait for it...the Assumption.

If you can categorize Mary rising up bodily into heaven as a fairy tale, isn't it perfectly understandable and acceptable for me to categorize Jesus rising up bodily into heaven as a fairy tale?

I go by evidence of what the Bible says. Mary's ascension is not in the Bible. The ascension of Jesus is.

I would not discount a legend about Mary if the Holy Spirit confirmed it but He does not.

 

[Muffled]

LOL! I haven't heard that one before, I like it. Heat Bubble Jesus.

I believe it is also necessary to have an aair bubble. The higher you go the thinner the air.

 

[Muffled]

y y y y you mean it's IS a fairy tale! g g g g GULP! You mean the Creation story about
Adam being breathed into existence from dirt ain't so???????????????

O.M.G. What ever shall I do?

Everyone knows god beamed jesus up to the Enterprise!

Oh, oh, I'm hell bound again!

I'll be listening to Satan dressed in red tights playing Pink Floyd records backwards listening for the hidden messages.

I believe you have managed to be a compendium of misinformation. I believe you should examine the facts rationally

 

[Muffled]

you are double minded....

He survived....or He's dead

and if someone of His ability failed....
the rest of us are screwed

I believe those are not the only options. He died. He now lives.

 

[McBell]

He now lives.

which would put him in category one of the post you quoted....

 

[Muffled]

which would put him in category one of the post you quoted....

I don't believe that is in my understanding of the word survival. One does not survive death. The resurrection is not a survival it is a revival ie Jesus returned to life after not surviving His crucifixion.

 

[McBell]

I don't believe that is in my understanding of the word survival. One does not survive death. The resurrection is not a survival it is a revival ie Jesus returned to life after not surviving His crucifixion.

Are you saying that everyone who was clinically dead but brought back was resurrected?
If not, then Jesus was not resurrected.
If so, then Jesus is not the only one who was resurrected.


Seems you have some mental gymnastics to engage in.

 

[Muffled]

Are you saying that everyone who was clinically dead but brought back was resurrected?
If not, then Jesus was not resurrected.
If so, then Jesus is not the only one who was resurrected.


Seems you have some mental gymnastics to engage in.

I believe not but I would say that they were revived and I would not say that they survived.

I believe there was no-one bringing Jesus back to life clinically so it was a resurrection.

I believe it ought to be obvious that I enjoy them and I like calling a spade a spade and not a pitchfork.

 

[leibowde84]

I go by evidence of what the Bible says. Mary's ascension is not in the Bible. The ascension of Jesus is.

I would not discount a legend about Mary if the Holy Spirit confirmed it but He does not.

How did the Holy Spirit confirm anything in the Bible beyond the writers of the Bible merely claiming that the Holy Spirit confirmed what they claimed?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

If God is the creator, then I too, am a son of God and can call Him Father. That does not mean that I am supernatural in any shape or form.

Why does God being the creator make you His son too? He didn't create you.

Not everyone is God's child just because He is creator. Jesus made this plain,

John 8:41-44 (ESV Strong's) 41 You are doing the works your father did.” They said to him, “We were not born of sexual immorality. We have one Father—even God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. 43 Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I think only prophets are supposed to be sons of God, not the 'hoi polloi' - us, the riff-raff.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Well, that was the original plan....everyone was supposed to live in paradise...but there was this thing called free will. It was a special dispensation to humans so that it would enhance their lives every day. Only we are made in the image of our Creator and we were originally without a knowledge of evil. God deemed that mankind would be better off without it. Was he right? I think we have proven that knowing evil has not benefited us in any way.

What knowledge was Adam created with? Was he created with the knowledge of "good"? If so, then why was the tree named,

Genesis 2:9 (ESV Strong's) The tree of life was in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

If Adam "already" had knowledge of good, why wasn't the tree named, "the tree of the knowledge of evil"?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

I think only prophets are supposed to be sons of God, not the 'hoi polloi' - us, the riff-raff.

John 1:12-13 (ESV Strong's) 12 But to "all" who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Genesis 6.1: When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” - Word of God.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Genesis 6.1: When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” - Word of God.

Genesis 6:1-2 (ESV Strong's) 1 When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.

h1121. בֵּן ḇên; from 1129; a son (as a builder of the family name), in the widest sense (of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition

Romans 8:14-15 (ESV Strong's) 14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”

g5207. υἱός huios; apparently a primary word; a “son” (sometimes of animals), used very widely of immediate, remote or figuratively, kinship: — child, foal, son.

 

[Thief]

I think only prophets are supposed to be sons of God, not the 'hoi polloi' - us, the riff-raff.

and when reciting the Lord's Prayer.......Our Father

we begin by declaring ourselves...children of God

heaven hears it

so too .....the devil

 

[Thief]

I don't believe that is in my understanding of the word survival. One does not survive death. The resurrection is not a survival it is a revival ie Jesus returned to life after not surviving His crucifixion.

I believe we continue in spirit.....or we don't
if you stand from your last breath....yu have survived it
if not.....you are indeed....dead

and so 'the dead shall bury the dead'