I am pro-abortion, not just pro-choice

[McBell]

So you now support legalized murder of unborn children. Wonderful.

appeal to emotion tactics only work on the choir.
In case you failed to notice, not many choir members in this thread.

 

[Kirran]

um...
How else is she supposed to speak of her beliefs?
Don't get me wrong.
I disagree with most of her beliefs.
However, how is she supposed to speak of her beliefs if not in a manner that reveals she believes them true?

It's things like when she says we'll see what's true when God does X and that kind of thing. I admit there's a subtle line, but it does seem to have been crossed sometimes.

 

[Reggie Miller]

But the mainstream does determine what political compromises are made.
Abortion isn't objectively right or wrong. There are just diverse opinions
which determine the eventual unhappy compromise made into law.

I believe everything is ultimately subjectively right or wrong.

 

[Reggie Miller]

It was always human... in the same way that your hair or arm are human.

So it's okay to kill humans?

 

[Reggie Miller]

When it's born.

So if it comes out prematurely, say, after 2 months, it's human at that time?

 

[Kirran]

I believe everything is ultimately subjectively right or wrong.

Subjectively means it's a matter of opinion, there's no absolute right or wrong. Did you mean 'objectively'?

 

[columbus]

appeal to emotion tactics only work on the choir.
In case you failed to notice, not many choir members in this thread.

Not that choir.
But there are plenty of emotional appeals when this subject comes up.
"But, but, what if she's only nine? And gang raped in prison? For a crime she didn't even commit? What about her?"
Tom

 

[Reggie Miller]

Subjectively means it's a matter of opinion, there's no absolute right or wrong. Did you mean 'objectively'?

Yes, sorry, I mean objectively. It's also subjective, though, in the sense that I believe it is up to Holy Almighty God as to what is right and what is wrong.

 

[Reggie Miller]

appeal to emotion tactics only work on the choir.
In case you failed to notice, not many choir members in this thread.

Well, admitting to condoning murder requires no choir and evidently does not appeal to your emotion. How does it feel to admittedly condone murder?

 

[Kirran]

Yes, sorry, I mean objectively. It's also subjective, though, in the sense that I believe it is up to Holy Almighty God as to what is right and what is wrong.

Hmm, yeah, that's true. Very respectable thinking.

 

[columbus]

Well, admitting to condoning murder requires no choir and evidently does not appeal to your emotion. How does it feel to admittedly condone murder?

There are a few words that I find unhelpful in this conversation. One is "murder". It's just too subjective. People get too attached, emotionally, to a very specific meaning for self serving reasons. The same person who justifies abortion because it's legal will still oppose executing Raif Badawi because they don't think Saudi Arabia should have such laws. Similarly, people who oppose abortion will support pre-emptive war, because they think that form of killing is Biblical.
Tom

 

[Reggie Miller]

There are a few words that I find unhelpful in this conversation. One is "murder". It's just too subjective. People get too attached, emotionally, to a very specific meaning for self serving reasons. The same person who justifies abortion because it's legal will still oppose executing Raif Badawi because they don't think Saudi Arabia should have such laws. Similarly, people who oppose abortion will support pre-emptive war, because they think that form of killing is Biblical.
Tom

Well, I believe that voluntarily killing a human being is murder. I also believe that human life begins at conception. So from my perspective voluntary abortion is murder.

 

[Kirran]

Well, I believe that voluntarily killing a human being is murder. I also believe that human life begins at conception. So from my perspective voluntary abortion is murder.

So a miscarriage is an accidental death? If a miscarriage occurs due to the mother not being healthy, when she could have had had a healthier lifestyle, is this manslaughter?

 

[Reggie Miller]

So a miscarriage is an accidental death? If a miscarriage occurs due to the mother not being healthy, when she could have had had a healthier lifestyle, is this manslaughter?

I don't think so. Not unless she caused the miscarriage on purpose.

I am strictly referring to voluntary abortion by choice only.

 

[McBell]

Not that choir.
But there are plenty of emotional appeals when this subject comes up.
"But, but, what if she's only nine? And gang raped in prison? For a crime she didn't even commit? What about her?"
Tom

since I am not absolutely against abortion, what about her?

 

[McBell]

Well, admitting to condoning murder requires no choir and evidently does not appeal to your emotion. How does it feel to admittedly condone murder?

Murder is an unlawful killing.
Since abortion is lawful....

Perhaps you would like to try again without the semantic pigeon chess?

 

[columbus]

Well, I believe that voluntarily killing a human being is murder. I also believe that human life begins at conception. So from my perspective voluntary abortion is murder.

Congratulations.
That makes you, like me, a hard core Pro-Lifer. We should stand together in opposition to Capital Punishment, war, environmental degradation, and the ever increasingly lethal weapons.
You do, of course, support the USA's top anti-abortion organization Planned Parenthood, correct? Some people don't understand what PP really does.

Stronger Together!
Tom

 

[Kirran]

I don't think so. Not unless she caused the miscarriage on purpose.

I am strictly referring to voluntary abortion by choice only.

But if you through your own negligence a foetus dies (which you consider a person) then surely that's manslaughter? How can it not be, if abortion is murder?

 

[Reggie Miller]

But if you through your own negligence a foetus dies (which you consider a person) then surely that's manslaughter? How can it not be, if abortion is murder?

That would be for a court to decide. I'm no law professor.

 

[Reggie Miller]

Murder is an unlawful killing.
Since abortion is lawful....

Perhaps you would like to try again without the semantic pigeon chess?

I think we can safely consider the conversation between you and I on this subject closed. Have a good day, sir.