I am sceptical of the Skeptics. Is it wrong?

[use_your_brain]

1) Sounds to me like the Quran is talking about the two waters universally, otherwise why doesn't it mention that it is only referring to a specific ocean where they don't mix?
Unless otherwise stated, anyone reading that passage would (rightfully) come to the conclusion that the Quran states the two do not mix due to a "forbidden partition".
2) Quran 23:13.

1). It is said: "..He let free the two bodies of flowing water: one palatable and sweet and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed. (53)" (Quran 25:53)

In that place the two do not mix.

Just like we say: a man made a desk and let the desk stand up with 3 legs. (yet we know commonly desk has 4 legs).

2). "Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay); (12)" (Q 23:12)
and? what is the problem then?

 

[Aquitaine]

1). It is said: "..He let free the two bodies of flowing water: one palatable and sweet and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed. (53)" (Quran 25:53)

In that place the two do not mix.

Just like we say: a man made a desk and let the desk stand up with 3 legs. (yet we know commonly desk has 4 legs).

2). "Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay); (12)" (Q 23:12)
and? what is the problem then?

1) Why does it not mention the location of this barrier if it just means a specific geographic area where the two do not mix?
Instead, the verse is using a broader context to suggest that the two bodies of water cannot mix regardless of location.

2) I am not going to argue with you why humans are not made out of clay.

 

[use_your_brain]

1) Why does it not mention the location of this barrier if it just means a specific geographic area where the two do not mix?
Instead, the verse is using a broader context to suggest that the two bodies of water cannot mix regardless of location.

2) I am not going to argue with you why humans are not made out of clay.

1). I don't know why the Quran doesn't mention the certain region or country in specific. As I know there were at least 2 oceans like this in the world.
2). man indeed was made out of clay.

 

[Aquitaine]

1). I don't know why the Quran doesn't mention the certain region or country in specific. As I know there were at least 2 oceans like this in the world.
2). man indeed was made out of clay.

1) The "forbidden barrier" between the two implies they cannot mix. The verse gives no mention of any specific location where they do not mix, just that they apparently do not mix, which is false. At best, this verse is misleading.
2) Evidence please.

 

[use_your_brain]

1) The "forbidden barrier" between the two implies they cannot mix. The verse gives no mention of any specific location where they do not mix, just that they apparently do not mix, which is false. At best, this verse is misleading.
2) Evidence please.

1) they don't mix at that certain area.
2). Adam was created from clay. do you think from where was he created supposedly?

"Fresh and salt water meet near Tasmania. Salinity gradients in areas like this could provide an alternative power source." Photo: jeaneeem | FlickrCC.

https://quietkinetic.wordpress.com/category/science/

Two distinct shades of blue as fresh meets salt water in Ushuaia (Argentinian side of Terra del Fuego).

Salt Water - Fresh Water interface.

 

[Aquitaine]

1) they don't mix at that certain area.
2). Adam was created from clay. do you think from where was he created supposedly?


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1) Which certain area, and where does it state in the Quran that they don't mix only there? The passage mentions no such specifics, only that the two types of water do not mix.

Honestly, this is just another reason why people shouldn't go off of scripture for divine guidance: subjective human interpretation yields different results.

2) Evidence please.

 

[use_your_brain]

1) Which certain area, and where does it state in the Quran that they don't mix only there? The passage mentions no such specifics, only that the two types of water do not mix.

Honestly, this is just another reason why people shouldn't go off of scripture for divine guidance: subjective human interpretation yields different results.

2) Evidence please.

1). Just because Quran doesn't mention the region or certain area it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, right? Quran is not a geographic text. It encourages us to reflect the greatness of God. God blesses us with brain that we may observe the environment and praise and glorify Him alone.
2). I don't have any evidence of Adam was created from clay except Quran itself. The Science perhaps has any idea about that.

 

[Aquitaine]

1). Just because Quran doesn't mention the region or certain area it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, right? Quran is not a geographic text. It encourages us to reflect the greatness of God. God blesses us with brain that we may observe the environment and praise and glorify Him alone.
2). I don't have any evidence of Adam was created from clay except Quran itself. The Science perhaps has any idea about that.

1) You're in denial and choosing to misinterpret the verse so as to not make the Quran seem in error. I'm sorry, but the verse makes no mention of any specific region(s) where they don't mix, and instead just states that they universally do not mix - which is false.

2) A book is not evidence itself for its own claims. Humans are not made of clay, and there is no evidence to suggest "Adam" existed, or that we were "created" by some God. All evidence points to abiogenesis and evolution.

Honestly, the best course of action you can take here is to just admit that the Quran is a book of faith, not of science or truth.

 

[use_your_brain]

1) You're in denial and choosing to misinterpret the verse so as to not make the Quran seem in error. I'm sorry, but the verse makes no mention of any specific region(s) where they don't mix, and instead just states that they universally do not mix - which is false.

2) A book is not evidence itself for its own claims. Humans are not made of clay, and there is no evidence to suggest "Adam" existed, or that we were "created" by some God. All evidence points to abiogenesis and evolution.

Honestly, the best course of action you can take here is to just admit that the Quran is a book of faith, not of science or truth.

1). False? does quran say the wrong thing? that verse doesn't say all salt water and fresh water do not mix.
can you take alook again the verse?:
"..He let free the two bodies of flowing water: one palatable and sweet and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed. (53)" (Quran 25:53)

2). If Adam were not created from clay then from where was he created?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

"I am sceptical of the Skeptics. Is it wrong?"

Something being wrong hasn't stopped you doing it before, parrsurrey.

 

[Aquitaine]

1). False? does quran say the wrong thing? that verse doesn't say all salt water and fresh water do not mix.
can you take alook again the verse?:
"..He let free the two bodies of flowing water: one palatable and sweet and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed. (53)" (Quran 25:53)

2). If Adam were not created from clay then from where was he created?

1) Yes it is wrong, just like the sperm from between the spine and ribs. The following verse (25:54) continues on with "He who created Man out of Water". The two verses are basically saying "Allah who forbade the two waters to mix, and who made Man from water".
Absolutely nowhere does it specify that the verse is only talking about specific areas, and that they do generally mix. You are continuing to be in denial, just like you denied 86:5-7 was referring to sperm.

2) Adam is a mythological character written in fiction, until credible evidence to the contrary arises, he came from the same place Harry Potter and Yoda came from - human imagination.

 

[use_your_brain]

1) Yes it is wrong, just like the sperm from between the spine and ribs. The following verse (25:54) continues on with "He who created Man out of Water". The two verses are basically saying "Allah who forbade the two waters to mix, and who made Man from water".
Absolutely nowhere does it specify that the verse is only talking about specific areas, and that they do generally mix. You are continuing to be in denial, just like you denied 86:5-7 was referring to sperm.

2) Adam is a mythological character written in fiction, until credible evidence to the contrary arises, he came from the same place Harry Potter and Yoda came from - human imagination.

1). - So just because Quran doesn't mention the geographical place, it makes it wrong?
"He made a barrier between them" the verse speaks about that situation only.
the verse doesn't state all water always like that.

"It is He Who has let free the two bodies of ٱلۡبَحۡرَيۡنِ (baharaini=two oceans): one palatable and sweet and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed. (53)" (Quran 25:53)

"And He it is Who hath given independence to the two seas.. "
"And it is He Who has let free the two seas.."
"And it is He who hath mixed the two seas.."
(from varied translations). It talks about two Bahrain (oceans).

- In case of "SPERM"verse, the verse doesn't mention the SPERM at all. Another user here even use CEMENT term. while the quran use the different term.
- Which verse state: man was created from water again?

2) Adam was a true mythological character.

 

[use_your_brain]

"And it is He Who has created man from water.." (Quran 25:54)

human semen, its composition, about 96 percent water plus several minerals and so on.

 

[Jumi]

the verse doesn't mention the SPERM at all.
the literal translation of the verse is:
Fal yann zuril insaanu mim maa khuliq. Khuliqa mim Maain min Daafiq. yakhruju mim baini tsulbi wat taraa'ib.
(Let man look at (and bear in mind) the substance he is created from! (He is) created from the surging fluid, which springs from between the spine and the ribs! 86:5-7)

Maain =liquid, fluid, juice, water ; (it doesn't say SPERM).
Daafiq =anything that flows out, gushes out, pours out, wells out, sheds.(From the Hans Wehr Arabic to English Dictionary)

What is this surging fluid and how are we created by it? Where do you observe this?

 

[Aquitaine]

1). - So just because Quran doesn't mention the geographical place, it makes it wrong?
"He made a barrier between them" the verse speaks about that situation only.
the verse doesn't state all water always like that.

"It is He Who has let free the two bodies of ٱلۡبَحۡرَيۡنِ (baharaini=two oceans): one palatable and sweet and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed. (53)" (Quran 25:53)

"And He it is Who hath given independence to the two seas.. "
"And it is He Who has let free the two seas.."
"And it is He who hath mixed the two seas.."
(from varied translations). It talks about two Bahrain (oceans).

- In case of "SPERM"verse, the verse doesn't mention the SPERM at all. Another user here even use CEMENT term. while the quran use the different term.
- Which verse state: man was created from water again?

2) Adam was a true mythological character.

1) "He made a barrier" and "forbidden partition" refer to the errorneous claim that the two types of water cannot mix. Unless the Qurana specifically mentions that it is referring to two specific oceans, then it is talking about Saltwater and Freshwater (hence one being "sweet" and the other "bitter").

2)
True.
Mythological.

Pick one.

"And it is He Who has created man from water.." (Quran 25:54)

human semen, its composition, about 96 percent water plus several minerals and so on.

Oh so now you want to interpret a verse talking about Sperm, how convenient. Considering in the previous sentence the Quran was talking about actual water, I think it's safe to assume that this one is referring to just plain water.
Yet when we have the verse describing the fluid which creates man that is ejected from "between the spine and the ribs", as if by magic you suddenly deny that it's refering to sperm.

If it wasn't for modern science, the full composition of sperm would not be known if we were to just use the Quran. Why is this apparent book of God so vague and poorly informed?

 

[paarsurrey]

L. Ron Hubbard claimed to discover the "fundamentals of the universe" through Dianetics, and ways to connect to the "Supreme Being".
He is essentially the closest thing to their "prophet", and his published work and Dianetics is essentially their "scripture".
They, just like many other believers, claim theirs is true, and others' are false.

Do you belong to Scientology? Please
Regards

 

[Corthos]

Do you belong to Scientology? Please
Regards

The corporate church would say on it's web page that they are totally cool with other religions, but to get that kind of information first hand from Scientology requires YEARS and YEARS of membership, and more than a million dollars worth of money spent (They explain how they truly feel about religions in their rank: OT3). Thankfully, due to the internet and scores of high ranking defectors from the church (who all pretty much corroborate the same thing, plus there is a LOT of documentation) , we can now know exactly what is taught.

A summary of OT3
http://exscientologykids.com/ot3/

"So when the souls started leaving the bodies, he captured the souls and forced them into a huge implant station that was kind of like a movie theatre. There, he made them watch movies that ‘implanted’ them with false pictures of Christ, and other historical events that Hubbard says didn’t actually happen."

"Other historical events" include people like Buddha and Mohamed.

If you want to pour over some of the documentation, here is a good place to start. =)
http://www.xenu.net/archive/ot/

There are other places you can search if you want leaked documents, but honestly I need to leave for work now and don't have the time to dig them up for you. XD

Cheers!

 

[use_your_brain]

1) "He made a barrier" and "forbidden partition" refer to the errorneous claim that the two types of water cannot mix. Unless the Qurana specifically mentions that it is referring to two specific oceans, then it is talking about Saltwater and Freshwater (hence one being "sweet" and the other "bitter").

2)
True.
Mythological.

Pick one.




Oh so now you want to interpret a verse talking about Sperm, how convenient. Considering in the previous sentence the Quran was talking about actual water, I think it's safe to assume that this one is referring to just plain water.
Yet when we have the verse describing the fluid which creates man that is ejected from "between the spine and the ribs", as if by magic you suddenly deny that it's refering to sperm.

If it wasn't for modern science, the full composition of sperm would not be known if we were to just use the Quran. Why is this apparent book of God so vague and poorly informed?

1) yes :"And He it is Who hath given independence to the two seas (Bahraini).. "
"And it is He Who has let free the two seas.."
"And it is He who hath mixed the two seas.."
(from varied translations). It talks about two Bahrain (oceans).
At least there are the occurrences like that exist in this world, right?

2). Yes, Adam was a true mythology.
3). Yes semen consist of water. And we are coming from semen, right?

 

[paarsurrey]

The corporate church would say on it's web page that they are totally cool with other religions, but to get that kind of information first hand from Scientology requires YEARS and YEARS of membership, and more than a million dollars worth of money spent (They explain how they truly feel about religions in their rank: OT3). Thankfully, due to the internet and scores of high ranking defectors from the church (who all pretty much corroborate the same thing, plus there is a LOT of documentation) , we can now know exactly what is taught.
A summary of OT3
http://exscientologykids.com/ot3/
"So when the souls started leaving the bodies, he captured the souls and forced them into a huge implant station that was kind of like a movie theatre. There, he made them watch movies that ‘implanted’ them with false pictures of Christ, and other historical events that Hubbard says didn’t actually happen."
"Other historical events" include people like Buddha and Mohamed.
If you want to pour over some of the documentation, here is a good place to start. =)
http://www.xenu.net/archive/ot/
There are other places you can search if you want leaked documents, but honestly I need to leave for work now and don't have the time to dig them up for you. XD
Cheers!

Thanks for your input.
I would prefer to get information from one who is a believer in Scientology.
Regards

 

[Jumi]

Thanks for your input.
I would prefer to get information from one who is a believer in Scientology.
Regards

They have their own holy books

DOES SCIENTOLOGY HAVE A SCRIPTURE?

Yes. The written and recorded spoken words of L. Ron Hubbard on the subject of Scientology collectively constitute the scripture of the religion. He set forth the Scientology theology and technologies in tens of millions ofwords, including hundreds of books, scores offilms and more than 3,000 recorded lectures.

Will take a while to read them.