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I am sceptical of the Skeptics. Is it wrong?

use_your_brain

use_your_brain

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Corthos said:
Sent to hell to suffer an eternity based on a technicality... No matter what the person did, how much positive impact they had on the world, or how many people they helped... It's to HELL they go! =/

Do you have children? If any of your children disowned you... If they said "I wish you weren't my dad!"... Would you torture them as long as you could and kill them? Does that seem merciful to you? Does that seem like something a good person would do? Why should we hold God to different standards, since we are all his children? =/
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why do people always equate the God with the parents?
 
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Aquitaine

Aquitaine

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prometheus11

prometheus11

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use_your_brain said:
Last night, I almost cry for imagining you will be dragged to enter the hell.

"It may be that those who disbelieve wish ardently that they were Muslims. (2) Let them eat and enjoy life, and let (false) hope beguile them. They will come to know! (3)

And for those who disbelieve in their Lord there is the doom of hell, a hapless journey's end! (6)When they are flung therein they hear its roaring as it boileth up, (7) As it would burst with rage. Whenever a (fresh) host is flung therein the wardens thereof ask them: Came there unto you no warner? (8) They say: Yea, verily, a warner came unto us; but we denied and said: Allah hath naught revealed; ye are in naught but a great error. (9) And they say: Had we been wont to listen or have sense, we had not been among the dwellers in the flames. (10) So they acknowledge their sins; but far removed (from mercy) are the dwellers in the flames."


The fire burneth their faces, and they are glum therein. (104) (It will be said): Were not My revelations recited unto you, and then ye used to deny them? (105)They will say: Our Lord! Our evil fortune conquered us, and we were erring folk. (106) Our Lord! Oh, bring us forth from hence! If we return (to evil) then indeed we shall be wrong-doers. (107) He saith: Begone therein, and speak not unto Me. (108) Lo! there was a party of My slaves who said: Our Lord! We believe, therefor forgive us and have mercy on us for Thou art Best of all who show mercy; (109) But ye chose them for a laughing-stock until they caused you to forget remembrance of Me, while ye laughed at them. "

Quran.



Is that your fate to be a disbeliever? I wonder why would anyone choose to be disbeliever?
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How would you respond to a Christian who said they cried a lot for you because you were going to hell for not being a Christian?
 
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Parsimony

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use_your_brain said:
I wonder why would anyone choose to be disbeliever?
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No one chooses what they believe or disbelieve. Belief is often arrived at by adults by analysis of evidence, and (sometimes) as children from indoctrination. A person cannot spontaneously change their beliefs at will. Belief can be changed by new evidence or a reevaluation of existing beliefs, but that's all. If you believe that you can change your beliefs on a whim, then try to believe that you are an iguana for just five minutes. I mean really believe it, not pretend to believe it.
 
use_your_brain

use_your_brain

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Parsimony said:
No one chooses what they believe or disbelieve. Belief is often arrived at by adults by analysis of evidence, and (sometimes) as children from indoctrination. A person cannot spontaneously change their beliefs at will. Belief can be changed by new evidence or a reevaluation of existing beliefs, but that's all. If you believe that you can change your beliefs on a whim, then try to believe that you are an iguana for just five minutes. I mean really believe it, not pretend to believe it.
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I do believe in the logic thing only.
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
use_your_brain said:
Circular logic is accepted as long as you cannot disprove mine.
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Why should someone prefer yours over someone else's?

Surely you can learn and share religious wisdom that is worth keeping on its own merits. There is no need to rely on arbitrary, toss-of-a-coin choices.
 
use_your_brain

use_your_brain

Active Member
LuisDantas said:
Why should someone prefer yours over someone else's?

Surely you can learn and share religious wisdom that is worth keeping on its own merits. There is no need to rely on arbitrary, toss-of-a-coin choices.
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it is called observation, examination and validation or something like that. so far none able to disprove the Quran.
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
use_your_brain said:
it is called observation, examination and validation or something like that. so far none able to disprove the Quran.
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Actually, I have disproven the Qur'an. Decisively.

Not in a way that will convince you, but quite enough for myself. It happened when I realized that it takes as a premise that I could somehow believe in the God of Abraham and that if I can not it must be due to some sort of moral flaw of mine.

I know that to be untrue, therefore the Qur'an is wrong. It is simply not a pending question, nor any form of doubt, far as I am concerned.

Granted, others will disagree. But I do not have a duty to convince them. Not in most situations, at least.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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LuisDantas said:
I don't think Aquitaine was joking. His argument is valid, far as I can tell.
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I don't think an argument should be described in geometric terms. If an argument/reason convinces one, it is fine. If it does not convinces one I would try another one.
Do we have arguments of all the geometric forms? No
As for me I don't present/quote any verse of Quran just being from an authority. G-d is Wise, so I present the essence of reason/wisdom/argument/sign/brilliance given in it. If one does not get it, I will tell one.
As one has made a circle of sentences for Quran and depicted it as circular, the same way a circle could be made of the Atheists/Agnostics/Skeptics. But it is of no use, it would just create unnecessary and endless bickering.
Regards
 
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