I am sceptical of the Skeptics. Is it wrong?

[use_your_brain]

Actually, I have disproven the Qur'an. Decisively.

Not in a way that will convince you, but quite enough for myself. It happened when I realized that it takes as a premise that I could somehow believe in the God of Abraham and that if I can not it must be due to some sort of moral flaw of mine.

I know that to be untrue, therefore the Qur'an is wrong. It is simply not a pending question, nor any form of doubt, far as I am concerned.

Granted, others will disagree. But I do not have a duty to convince them. Not in most situations, at least.

Interesting could you share your experience in disproving the Quran? Perhaps it is new to me.
bear in mind if you able to disprove the quran then i would never back again to this forum due to shame.

 

[use_your_brain]

That's irrelevant. I asked how you would respond to a Christian crying for you because you're not Christian and going to hell.

it would be my ( and always) response.

 

[LuisDantas]

Interesting could you share your experience in disproving the Quran? Perhaps it is new to me.

The Qur'an states in no uncertain terms, among other things, that there is only one true God, that disbelief is a serious flaw, and that people should be expected to either believe in that God and submit to its authority as expressed in the Qur'an or have some good reason not to (for instance, because they lacked the proper oportunity for learning of the Qur'an).

Even more decisively, it states that disbelief is a grave sin, punishable by an existence in Hell after death.

That is simply not conciliable with known facts. As an Atheist, I have the authority to call them wrong.

 

[LuisDantas]

I don't think an argument should be described in geometric terms. If an argument/reason convinces one, it is fine. If it does not convinces one I would try another one.
Do we have arguments of all the geometric forms? No
As for me I don't present/quote any verse of Quran just being from an authority. G-d is Wise, so I present the essence of reason/wisdom/argument/sign/brilliance given in it. If one does not get it, I will tell one.
As one has made a circle of sentences for Quran and depicted it as circular, the same way a circle could be made of the Atheists/Agnostics/Skeptics. But it is of no use, it would just create unnecessary and endless bickering.
Regards

The claim here - one that I find quite reasonable and necessary, I must add - is that using the Qur'an, and God's attributes as described by the Qur'an as evidence to support and explain each other makes for a closed, self-referential frame of reference.

The end result is that it is possible and perhaps necessary to reject the whole package, because it is lacking in validation from actual, irrefutable facts.

 

[use_your_brain]

The Qur'an states in no uncertain terms, among other things, that there is only one true God, that disbelief is a serious flaw, and that people should be expected to either believe in that God and submit to its authority as expressed in the Qur'an or have some good reason not to (for instance, because they lacked the proper oportunity for learning of the Qur'an).

Even more decisively, it states that disbelief is a grave sin, punishable by an existence in Hell after death.

That is simply not conciliable with known facts. As an Atheist, I have the authority to call them wrong.

wrong or not it is the fact that the atheists will face in hereafter. They will be tortured in hell due to being disbelievers. btw it is not called DISPROVING the quran, but avoiding the fact.

 

[LuisDantas]

wrong or not it is the fact that the atheists will face in hereafter.

I can't tell whether you are failing to follow my logic or simply disagreeing or disregarding it, but either way you can't hope to convince me.

They will be tortured in hell due to being disbelievers. btw it is not called DISPROVING the quran, but avoiding the fact.

No, Use Your Brain.

It is very much disproving the Qur'an.

It is presenting me some information which I know to be untrue and insisting that it is true nevertheless.

Therefore, it is wrong, and I have disproven it.

 

[Aquitaine]

yes, pastafarianis were a true religion if it were proven true.

It is true, because the Gospel of the FSM says so, can you disprove 100%?

who said so?

The prophet of Pastafarianism, can you disprove 100%?

Circular logic is accepted as long as you cannot disprove mine.

So you admit then, that you're using circular logic?

 

[Aquitaine]

You are finished with your joke, now give your argument.
One could write all those sentences in a straight line.
These sentences are written by you not by us Muslims.

You cannot deny that the circular thinking in the image is being used here in this thread, primarily by use_your_brain?

 

[use_your_brain]

I can't tell whether you are failing to follow my logic or simply disagreeing or disregarding it, but either way you can't hope to convince me.




No, Use Your Brain.

It is very much disproving the Qur'an.

It is presenting me some information which I know to be untrue and insisting that it is true nevertheless.

Therefore, it is wrong, and I have disproven it.

I thought you disproved the Quran is invalid, error or something like that.

 

[use_your_brain]

It is true, because the Gospel of the FSM says so, can you disprove 100%?



The prophet of Pastafarianism, can you disprove 100%?


So you admit then, that you're using circular logic?

can you show me which passage says so?

 

[LuisDantas]

Yes.

The Qur'an is indeed invalid.

I know that because I am an atheist, and it is not conceivable that a true God would speak of me in the terms that the Qur'an uses.

I sincerely expect that most other atheists, once they have the chance to learn what the Qur'an says about disbelief, will reach much the same certainty of its untruth that I did.


The irony of it all is that I am often told to read the Qur'an by people that seem all too sincere in their hope that I will be convinced of the truth of the Qur'an, or warned towards "accepting belief" or something similar, or perhaps both.

Yet it is because the Qur'an is so set on insisting that people must accept God that it proves itself untrue. Would a true revelation of God fail to understand atheism? I think not.

 

[Aquitaine]

can you show me which passage says so?

He is mentioned as the prophet in the Gospel, on page 176 we are told of how he was visited by the FSM and it revealed to him that it is the creator of the universe. Disprove it 100% otherwise it is factually correct.

 

[cambridge79]

You are finished with your joke, now give your argument.
One could write all those sentences in a straight line.
These sentences are written by you not by us Muslims.

How would you brake that ring?

 

[cambridge79]

Interesting could you share your experience in disproving the Quran? Perhaps it is new to me.
bear in mind if you able to disprove the quran then i would never back again to this forum due to shame.

Untrue. You've definitely proven over again you have no shame

 

[prometheus11]

I thought you disproved the Quran is invalid, error or something like that.

No nothing like that. He merely proved the Quran is untrue. Perhaps take each sentence at a time. Find the first one you disagree with and see how it might make sense to someone with your conviction but another perspective.

 

[use_your_brain]

No nothing like that. He merely proved the Quran is untrue. Perhaps take each sentence at a time. Find the first one you disagree with and see how it might make sense to someone with your conviction but another perspective.

he said Quran is not true because it promises the hell in hereafter. LOL.

 

[use_your_brain]

Untrue. You've definitely proven over again you have no shame

did I insist to say 2 + 2 =5 or something like that?

 

[use_your_brain]

He is mentioned as the prophet in the Gospel, on page 176 we are told of how he was visited by the FSM and it revealed to him that it is the creator of the universe. Disprove it 100% otherwise it is factually correct.

can you show me that part?

 

[use_your_brain]

Yes.

The Qur'an is indeed invalid.

I know that because I am an atheist, and it is not conceivable that a true God would speak of me in the terms that the Qur'an uses.

I sincerely expect that most other atheists, once they have the chance to learn what the Qur'an says about disbelief, will reach much the same certainty of its untruth that I did.


The irony of it all is that I am often told to read the Qur'an by people that seem all too sincere in their hope that I will be convinced of the truth of the Qur'an, or warned towards "accepting belief" or something similar, or perhaps both.

Yet it is because the Qur'an is so set on insisting that people must accept God that it proves itself untrue. Would a true revelation of God fail to understand atheism? I think not.

why is Quran invalid? can you back your assertion with the error or invalid content from Quran? or do you claim so just because you don't trust it?

 

[prometheus11]

he said Quran is not true because it promises the hell in hereafter. LOL.

No. That's not what he said. He said the Korsn has untruths in it. It is untrue.