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"I am the way"

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
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What was the language Brahman used to create the universe? What did he/she/it say?

Hint: Brahman did not create the universe; Brahman is not a creator god; Brahman is not God at all, despite the popular yet incorrect belief. No one knows how the universe came to be. The Nasadiya Sukta (Hymn of Creation, "ná ásat", "not the non-existent"), Rig Veda (10:129) questions it. The bold for slokas 6 & 7 is mine.

1. Then even nothingness was not, nor existence,
There was no air then, nor the heavens beyond it.
What covered it? Where was it? In whose keeping?
Was there then cosmic water, in depths unfathomed?

...

6. But, after all, who knows, and who can say
Whence it all came, and how creation happened?
the gods themselves are later than creation,
so who knows truly whence it has arisen?

7. Whence all creation had its origin,
the creator, whether he fashioned it or whether he did not,
the creator, who surveys it all from highest heaven,
he knows — or maybe even he does not know.






शब्द m. śabda sound
शब्द m. śabda word

Sanskrit Dictionary for Spoken Sanskrit



Ok yeah, you're right. This is right there in the Nasadiya Sukta and the Upanishads.

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The first law of thermodynamics is the same as the first law of conservation and that is, that energy can neither be created or destroyed. So it would seem that if energy cannot be created, then it always was, and If it can never be destroyed, it always will be. Therefore, according to this law, energy must be eternal, having neither beginning or end. Energy can be and is converted to that which we perceive as matter. In fact, this seemingly material universe at the time of the Big Bang was pure electromagnetic energy, which has been converted to that which we perceive as matter only to be reconverted to its original form as electromagnetic energy during the phase of the Big Crunch.

Those who believe that a universe of mindless matter has produced beings with intrinsic ends, self- replication capabilities, and “coded chemistry, must now accept that it is the eternal energy which has neither beginning or end, that has become this material universe and has developed a mind that is the compilation of all the information gathered by all the diverse life-forms that it [The Eternal Energy] or the Logos God has become.

The Logos is not the creator: the Logos is the creation. The Logos is the essential divine reality of the universe the eternal spirit from whom all being originates and to who all must return, all that is in existence came through him, by him and for him, and without him, "The eternal evolving energy being," not anything came into existence.

In fact, it has now been revealed that matter is no more than an illusion. Quantum physicists discovered that so called physical atoms are made up of vortices of energy that are constantly spinning and vibrating, each one radiating its own unique energy signature.

If you observed the composition of an atom with a microscope you would see a small, invisible tornado-like vortex, with a number of infinitely small energy vortices called quarks and photons. These are what make up the structure of the atom. As you focused in closer and closer on the structure of the atom, you would see nothing, you would observe a physical void. The atom has no physical structure, we have no physical structure, physical things really don’t have any physical structure! Atoms are made out of invisible energy, not tangible matter.

Nothing Is Solid & Everything Is Energy – Scientists Explain The World of Quantum Physics*

Romans 1: 18-23; For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man, etc.

He is made manifest in the creation itself.

According to the ancient cultures, we live in an eternal oscillating universe that expands outward and contracts back to its beginning in space time.

“Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolling onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being to non-being, and again from non-being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all, the sum and substance of the philosophy of Buddhism. And this eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence.” ---- Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.

The days and nights of Brahma are called Manvantara, or the cycle of manifestation, ‘The Great Day,’ which is a period of universal activity, that is preceded, and also followed by ‘Pralaya,’ a dark period, which to our finite minds would seem as an eternity, or but a moment in time.

‘Manvantara,’ is a creative day as seen in the six days of creation in Genesis, ‘Pralaya,’ is the evening that proceeds the next creative day. The six periods of Creation and the seventh day of rest in which we now exist are referred to in the book of Genesis as the “GENERATIONS OF THE UNIVERSE.”

The English word “Generation,” is translated from the Hebrew “toledoth” which is used in the Old Testament in every instance as ‘births,’ or ‘descendants,’ such as “These are the generations of Adam,” or “these are the generations of Abraham, and Genesis 2: 4; These are the generations of the Universe or the heavens and earth, etc. And the ‘Great Day’ in which the seven generations of the universe are eternally repeated, is the eternal cosmic period, or the eighth eternal day in which those who attain to perfection are allowed to enter, where they shall be surrounded by great light and they shall experience eternal peace, while those who do not attain to perfection are cast back into the refining fires of the seven physical cycles of endless rebirths that perpetually revolve within the eighth eternal cosmic cycle.

Enoch the righteous, wrote that God created an eighth day also, so that it should be the first after his works, and it is a day eternal with neither hours, days, weeks, months or years, for all time is stuck together in one eon, etc, etc, and all who enter into the generation of the Light beings, are able to visit all those worlds that still exist in Space-Time, but not in our time.

A series of worlds following one upon the other-- each world rising a step higher than the previous world, so that every later world brings to ripeness the seeds that were imbedded in the former, and itself then prepares the seed for the universe that will follow it. This is the true resurrection in which all from the previous cycle of universal activity, who still have the judgmental war raging within them, are born again into the endless cycles of physical manifestation, or rebirths.

The eternal being who manifests himself in the creation which is the eternal every evolving cosmic mind, that is the collective consciousness of all that the eternal has become.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
That is the problem I see with diverse "belief systems" that are part of the "religion of Christianity", since biblical Christianity is not meant to be a system or religion where one simply follows the teachings of Jesus Christ, but instead a relationship with Him, by which one is born again into a new life, a new creation with Christ living within.

Biblical Christianity, nonetheless like all religions resulted in a religion by definition, regardless of your attempts to use the word 'religion' as a stone to throw at others who believe differently. Religion is simply refers to what people believe based on scripture and tradition, and not 'just what others believe and not me.'
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
The first law of thermodynamics is the same as the first law of conservation and that is, that energy can neither be created or destroyed. So it would seem that if energy cannot be created, then it always was, and If it can never be destroyed, it always will be. Therefore, according to this law, energy must be eternal, having neither beginning or end. Energy can be and is converted to that which we perceive as matter. In fact, this seemingly material universe at the time of the Big Bang was pure electromagnetic energy, which has been converted to that which we perceive as matter only to be reconverted to its original form as electromagnetic energy during the phase of the Big Crunch.

Those who believe that a universe of mindless matter has produced beings with intrinsic ends, self- replication capabilities, and “coded chemistry, must now accept that it is the eternal energy which has neither beginning or end, that has become this material universe and has developed a mind that is the compilation of all the information gathered by all the diverse life-forms that it [The Eternal Energy] or the Logos God has become.

The Logos is not the creator: the Logos is the creation. The Logos is the essential divine reality of the universe the eternal spirit from whom all being originates and to who all must return, all that is in existence came through him, by him and for him, and without him, "The eternal evolving energy being," not anything came into existence.

In fact, it has now been revealed that matter is no more than an illusion. Quantum physicists discovered that so called physical atoms are made up of vortices of energy that are constantly spinning and vibrating, each one radiating its own unique energy signature.

If you observed the composition of an atom with a microscope you would see a small, invisible tornado-like vortex, with a number of infinitely small energy vortices called quarks and photons. These are what make up the structure of the atom. As you focused in closer and closer on the structure of the atom, you would see nothing, you would observe a physical void. The atom has no physical structure, we have no physical structure, physical things really don’t have any physical structure! Atoms are made out of invisible energy, not tangible matter.

Nothing Is Solid & Everything Is Energy – Scientists Explain The World of Quantum Physics*

Romans 1: 18-23; For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man, etc.

He is made manifest in the creation itself.

According to the ancient cultures, we live in an eternal oscillating universe that expands outward and contracts back to its beginning in space time.

“Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolling onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being to non-being, and again from non-being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all, the sum and substance of the philosophy of Buddhism. And this eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence.” ---- Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.

The days and nights of Brahma are called Manvantara, or the cycle of manifestation, ‘The Great Day,’ which is a period of universal activity, that is preceded, and also followed by ‘Pralaya,’ a dark period, which to our finite minds would seem as an eternity, or but a moment in time.

‘Manvantara,’ is a creative day as seen in the six days of creation in Genesis, ‘Pralaya,’ is the evening that proceeds the next creative day. The six periods of Creation and the seventh day of rest in which we now exist are referred to in the book of Genesis as the “GENERATIONS OF THE UNIVERSE.”

The English word “Generation,” is translated from the Hebrew “toledoth” which is used in the Old Testament in every instance as ‘births,’ or ‘descendants,’ such as “These are the generations of Adam,” or “these are the generations of Abraham, and Genesis 2: 4; These are the generations of the Universe or the heavens and earth, etc. And the ‘Great Day’ in which the seven generations of the universe are eternally repeated, is the eternal cosmic period, or the eighth eternal day in which those who attain to perfection are allowed to enter, where they shall be surrounded by great light and they shall experience eternal peace, while those who do not attain to perfection are cast back into the refining fires of the seven physical cycles of endless rebirths that perpetually revolve within the eighth eternal cosmic cycle.

Enoch the righteous, wrote that God created an eighth day also, so that it should be the first after his works, and it is a day eternal with neither hours, days, weeks, months or years, for all time is stuck together in one eon, etc, etc, and all who enter into the generation of the Light beings, are able to visit all those worlds that still exist in Space-Time, but not in our time.

A series of worlds following one upon the other-- each world rising a step higher than the previous world, so that every later world brings to ripeness the seeds that were imbedded in the former, and itself then prepares the seed for the universe that will follow it. This is the true resurrection in which all from the previous cycle of universal activity, who still have the judgmental war raging within them, are born again into the endless cycles of physical manifestation, or rebirths.

The eternal being who manifests himself in the creation which is the eternal every evolving cosmic mind, that is the collective consciousness of all that the eternal has become.

Puppies and kittens win the day.

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InChrist

Free4ever
Biblical Christianity, nonetheless like all religions resulted in a religion by definition, regardless of your attempts to use the word 'religion' as a stone to throw at others who believe differently. Religion is simply refers to what people believe based on scripture and tradition, and not 'just what others believe and not me.'
I think Christianity has morphed into religion for a lot of people, but I don't it biblical when it does. Neither do I think that is what God desires.
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Biblical Christianity, nonetheless like all religions resulted in a religion by definition, regardless of your attempts to use the word 'religion' as a stone to throw at others who believe differently. Religion is simply refers to what people believe based on scripture and tradition, and not 'just what others believe and not me.'

Religion can also be defined, "As any objective pursued with zeal and conscientious devotion."

Atheism has become a religion to those on this forum, who with zeal and conscientious devotion spread their godless belief in the hopes of converting a believer over to their hopeless religion.

Stamp collection can become a religion to the over enthusiastic collector.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Religion can also be defined, "As any objective pursued with zeal and conscientious devotion."

Atheism has become a religion to those on this forum, who with zeal and conscientious devotion spread their godless belief in the hopes of converting a believer over to their hopeless religion.

Stamp collection can become a religion to the over enthusiastic collector.

zeal and conscientious devotion are not necessary.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
I think Christianity has morphed into religion for a lot of people, but I don't it biblical when it does. Neither do I think that is what God desires.

does not change my answer . . .

Biblical Christianity, nonetheless like all religions resulted in a religion by definition, regardless of your attempts to use the word 'religion' as a stone to throw at others who believe differently. Religion is simply refers to what people believe based on scripture and tradition, and not 'just what others believe and not me.'
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
zeal and conscientious devotion are not necessary.

Stamp collection does not become a religion to one who only casually collects a stamp that they come across and Like it.

No! it only becomes a religion to one who pursues his hobby with great enthusiasm and conscientious devotion, as do the proselytizing atheists who haunt the religious forums of the world, in their attempts to convert a believer over to their hopeless and godless belief.

The death of the body in which "YOU" the invisible mind develops, is not the death of you, who will either enter into the collective consciousness of all that the eternal energy has become, or be rejected.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Stamp collection does not become a religion to one who only casually collects a stamp that they come across and Like it.

No! it only becomes a religion to one who pursues his hobby with great enthusiasm and conscientious devotion, as do the proselytizing atheists who haunt the religious forums of the world, in their attempts to convert a believer over to their hopeless and godless belief.

Stamp collecting nor vampire hunting have never been considered a religion.

The death of the body in which "YOU" the invisible mind develops, is not the death of you, who will either enter into the collective consciousness of all that the eternal energy has become, or be rejected.

This is simply what you believe, and not really relevant to the discussion.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Assuming that the true God, if any exists, is not a vengeful one. I wonder why the idea that God must be good is so popular. Could be very well the contrary.

Ciao

- viole

I believe the Bible says this about that:
Deu 32:35 Vengeance is mine, and recompense,
for the time when their foot shall slip;
for the day of their calamity is at hand,
and their doom comes swiftly.’
36 For the LORD will vindicate his people
and have compassion on his servants,
when he sees that their power is gone
and there is none remaining, bond or free.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
It is most definitely that the vengeful God is an ancient human construct of an anthropomorphic God. IF God exists God is neither a good God nor Bad God, but simply God, since the value system of good and bad is human construct.

I believe that view might fit in with Hinduism but not with the Bible nor the Qu'ran.

I believe we are capable of making up our own but that does not mean we make up God's and there are enough people who see the Good God as bad to reveal that.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
I believe that view might fit in with Hinduism but not with the Bible nor the Qu'ran.

I believe we are capable of making up our own but that does not mean we make up God's and there are enough people who see the Good God as bad to reveal that.

I believe it fits the God of contemporary Judaism and the Quran, because God is ultimately unknowable apophatic God from these perspectives. Spiritual principles and laws for promoting the good exist in all religions.
 
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viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
I believe in the cases of false gods it is but in the case of God it is not.

Yes, a new relativity principle applied to the ontological status of God.
Its status depends on equally valid observers.

Ciao

- viole
 

InChrist

Free4ever
does not change my answer . . .

Biblical Christianity, nonetheless like all religions resulted in a religion by definition, regardless of your attempts to use the word 'religion' as a stone to throw at others who believe differently. Religion is simply refers to what people believe based on scripture and tradition, and not 'just what others believe and not me.'

Yet, Jesus said...."You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life "(John 5:39-40)...
making a distinction between Himself as a Person, the Savior, the Good Shepherd, the Way, the Truth, the Life, the Living Water, and the Resurrection, as opposed to religious,system, practice or tradition.

Jesus also said... "He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.”(John 8:7). That is not me. I acknowledge my sin and need of Jesus, the Savior.
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Yet, Jesus said...."You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life "(John 5:39-40)...
making a distinction between Himself as a Person, the Savior, the Good Shepherd, the Way, the Truth, the Life, the Living Water, and the Resurrection, as opposed to religious,system, practice or tradition.

Jesus also said... "He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.”(John 8:7). That is not me. I acknowledge my sin and need of Jesus, the Savior.

And the Lord God our savior, the Son of Man and only begotten son of God, who filled his chosen prophet with 'HIS WORDS' said through the mouth of his obedient servant Jesus; "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life."

It was our Lord God and saviour, ‘The Son of Man,’ who came down and said to Moses in Deuteronomy 18: 18-19; “I will raise up for them a prophet just like you from among their own brethren; and I will put MY WORDS into his mouth, and I will punish anyone who does not Heed MY WORDS which he shall speak in MY NAME.”

Peter confirms that Jesus was that man, when, concerning the man Jesus, he says in. Acts 3: 22; For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."

Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "Blessed is he, WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD." Verifying that they believed Jesus to be the one that our Lord God and saviour had promised that he would choose from among the Israelites, and send to the people to speak in his name.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I believe it fits the God of contemporary Judaism and the Quran, because God is ultimately unknowable apophatic God from these perspectives. Spiritual principles and laws for promoting the good exist in all religions.

I believe that is true to an extent. God has a much higher intelligence than any of us so we are not capable of getting to know things as God does. However we do get to know God on the level He is willing to reveal Himself to us.

I believe existence is not perfection:
Luke 18:19 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Yes, a new relativity principle applied to the ontological status of God.
Its status depends on equally valid observers.

Ciao

- viole

I believe God does not depend on observers but the observers depend upon their observation to ensure validity of their understanding.
 
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